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louiepotterbook's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
mysterious
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
2.75
This book was entertaining for the most part but certain aspects of it left me kinda grossed out and confused.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Murder, Eating disorder, Alcoholism, Self harm, Death, Dysphoria, Gore, Sexual harassment, Sexual violence, Blood, Adult/minor relationship, Alcohol, Gaslighting, Animal death, Body horror, Body shaming, Bullying, Cannibalism, Death of parent, Vomit, Child abuse, Emotional abuse, Grief, Incest, Injury/Injury detail, Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Violence, and Xenophobia
princegene95's review
adventurous
dark
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Murder, Body horror, Gore, Cannibalism, Body shaming, Vomit, and Blood
Moderate: Adult/minor relationship, Alcohol, Emotional abuse, Death, Animal cruelty, Eating disorder, Animal death, Sexual content, Child abuse, Death of parent, and Alcoholism
Minor: Sexual harassment, Sexual assault, Pedophilia, Medical content, and Medical trauma
kimco_reads's review
adventurous
challenging
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.25
Overall I really enjoyed reading this book! I picked it up for the 2024 Trans Rights Readathon and had a difficult time putting it down. I even spent the majority of my afternoon off reading the second half because it was so intriguing. Going into it I was already drawn in by the idea of a grim-dark retelling of a fairytale, and add in a fairytale I hadn’t heard before and I was hooked.
This was the first book I’ve read by Reid, and I was impressed with how intelligent the writing was and how poetic the prose was. Reid’s descriptions were visceral and made it feel like I was right there in the story with Marlinchen. The setting of the house felt like it was straight from a fairytale with the description of the main character’s house, yard and various creatures living there. Then as a direct contrast the setting outside of the main character’s house was a developing city with day laborers, a theater, bars, and a beach. Putting these two contrasting settings was an ingenious way for Reid to show the character’s father’s inability to move forward or let any outside influence in. The magic system was simple, but well fleshed out within the story.
Throughout the story I felt the pain and anguish of the main character. I also really appreciated how Reid was able to depict the psychological effects the trauma and abuse often described in fairytales have on different types of characters. The very real way Marlinchen, Undine, and Rose reacted so differently to their father’s abuse was chilling to the core.
While I thoroughly enjoyed reading Juniper and Thorn, there were a few things that didn’t quite line up to my personal tastes in order to make it a five-star read. For me, the moments of levity were very short and far inbetween. It seemed they were over as soon as they started and they were still always tinged with the main character’s fear of being caught. It makes sense for the story so I understand why Reid wrote it this way. Also, the way the characters were written, I didn’t really know enough about the other characters to care if anything bad happened to them and it wasn’t until close to the end that I cared about the main character’s love interest. The romance read as an instant love connection, and unfortunately I’m just not a big fan of this trope, however, the author did a fantastic job showing that it wasn’t a perfect love, but rather a love that two very scarred characters would realistically cling to.
That all being said, this book was a great short read. It was chilling in a more psychologically heavy way than I expected, but was pleasantly surprised with.
Please check your trigger warnings before diving into this one!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Eating disorder, Gaslighting, Injury/Injury detail, Vomit, Animal death, Death of parent, Blood, Sexual assault, and Violence
Moderate: Adult/minor relationship, Cannibalism, Murder, Rape, Physical abuse, Emotional abuse, and Blood
kateships's review against another edition
dark
tense
medium-paced
5.0
I don’t usually read books like this. I love folklore/fairytale based retellings which is why it interested me, and the authors writing drew me in.
It is… gory, uncomfortable, dark, weird, and at no point did I know what was going to happen. It was oddly more sexual than I was expecting and I don’t think the story needed most of it, but that didn't ruin it for me.
It’s FOR SURE not a book for everyone. Again, dark and VERY uncomfortable, not scary, but I was fascinated by the theme of hunger and the monsters. I ended up really really enjoying this way more than I expected.
I am weirdly obsessed and will probably read everything by this author.
It is… gory, uncomfortable, dark, weird, and at no point did I know what was going to happen. It was oddly more sexual than I was expecting and I don’t think the story needed most of it, but that didn't ruin it for me.
It’s FOR SURE not a book for everyone. Again, dark and VERY uncomfortable, not scary, but I was fascinated by the theme of hunger and the monsters. I ended up really really enjoying this way more than I expected.
I am weirdly obsessed and will probably read everything by this author.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Gore, Violence, Eating disorder, Sexual assault, Blood, Death, Cannibalism, Emotional abuse, and Murder
Moderate: Child abuse and Sexual content
Minor: Alcohol, Abortion, Adult/minor relationship, and Death of parent
orangewitchling's review
challenging
dark
emotional
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Physical abuse, Rape, Body horror, Misogyny, Gore, Alcoholism, Cannibalism, Death, Death of parent, Eating disorder, Classism, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Gaslighting, Grief, Sexual violence, Blood, Bullying, Violence, War, Child abuse, Confinement, Sexual content, Adult/minor relationship, Sexual assault, and Sexual harassment
2_black_dogs's review
challenging
dark
emotional
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Grief, Gun violence, Vomit, Bullying, Cannibalism, Eating disorder, Medical trauma, Physical abuse, Self harm, Sexual violence, Torture, Blood, Body horror, Body shaming, Child abuse, Gaslighting, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Adult/minor relationship, Confinement, Death of parent, Gore, Sexual assault, Injury/Injury detail, Medical content, Murder, and Death
pinkpapercrane's review
dark
mysterious
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
This book is very dark, very tense, and yet at the end of the day, a fantastic read. This isn’t my usual cup of tea, I’m a cozy fantasy sort of reader but I would definitely recommend this book to anyone who wants to dive headfirst into grim dark fantasy. (with a happy ending, of course.)
Content Warnings
Graphic: Mental illness, Injury/Injury detail, Incest, Death, Murder, Emotional abuse, Body horror, Torture, Self harm, Eating disorder, Child death, Sexual assault, Kidnapping, Grief, Domestic abuse, Child abuse, Rape, Pedophilia, Death of parent, Animal cruelty, Gun violence, Animal death, Pregnancy, Gore, Confinement, Cannibalism, Body shaming, and Adult/minor relationship
This book is very dark and very tense, there are some in depth descriptions of sexual violence, with references to it throughout the book.merc22's review
challenging
dark
emotional
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
this book was simply weird af. some TW (sa, body horror, child abuse) some really intense themes through this book but written in such an interesting way. this was a cool story i could not have predicted and at times was shocked by - want to read more from this author for sure
Content Warnings
Graphic: Self harm, Rape, Emotional abuse, Physical abuse, Body horror, Adult/minor relationship, Alcoholism, Pedophilia, and Sexual assault
emviolet's review
dark
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Adult/minor relationship, Animal death, Emotional abuse, Gore, Sexual content, Child abuse, Death of parent, Murder, Body horror, and Blood
forever_undone_fables's review
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
1.0
I read A Study in Drowning by Ava Reid in November and really enjoyed it. Reid is a smart author who dabbles in darkness. I have the rest of her works in my TBR already.
.
Juniper & Thorn is a standalone gothic horror fantasy based off Slavic folklore. It was scary, it was gruesome. Not in a way where big bad things were always happening on page, but the tension. The way the FMCs father eats his dinner set me on edge.
.
Marlenchen is a witch, who lives with her two fairly wretched sisters and nightmare of father who keeps them under lock and key, isolating and harming them after turning their mother into a bird. The story itself had many metaphors for abuse. The way those causing harm can’t truly be satiated, their desperation for escalation, control, and the way survivors adapt, ultimately trying to overcome.
.
Marlens upbringing has made her naive and meek. The story unfolds as she tries to be brave and secretly rebel to experience what a normal 23 year old might, such as infatuation for a man on stage. Neither of which end up being much more than one or two town characters.
.
The actual monsters in this book remind me somewhat of Holly Blacks world building, which I love. The scaley, red eyed creature under the bed was less fearsome than the human men in this story. The ‘beast of man’ seems to be a theme in Reid’s writings.
.
Now up until this point, I would have said this book is around 3 stars for all of the above.. but allow me to continue..
.
My biggest suggestion is to MIND THE TRIGGERS! There is CSA, gore, death, cannibalism, and EDs to name a few. Overall, I could could handle all of that. Despite these ghastly things, what actually teetered this into a truly “weird” zone for me was the overly frequent mentionings and freakish descriptions of nipples..in graphic, violent, and odd ways…
.
Seriously, I would have rated this 1-2 stars MORE if it weren’t for all the weird boobie stuff. This book mentions breast and nipples an insufferable amount of times. It became a joke, I was so frustrated by it that I wanted to rip the book apart then and there, which never happens. I would have DNF usually I don’t hate read something but I had to see it through, and I had to take a week long break before I got past the last 15%.
.
I started counting at one point.. 6 “breasts” in a chapter. The next chapter? 11. . And that’s just breast, doesn’t include nipple, which were alternated between sometimes multiple times per page. For WHAT REASON!?
.
A vague excerpt from one PARAGRAPH:
“My nipples knotted with cold.. ….it circled my breast.. …and latched itself onto my nipple” then you turn the page and it’s literally just more breastnipplebreastnipple. In moments where it literally doesn’t have to be mentioned at all. I can’t stress this enough 😂
.
I think three times does she mention cutting nips.. “I imagine cutting my nipples with garden shears” and then goes on to say something like “and watch the skin unfold like the petals of a flower” or “bloom” or “the skin crawling back and blood covering like a glove” or some WEIRD SHIT LIKE THAT. It was SO MUCH, ALL THE TIME.
.
“Her breast swinging like a pendulum” “I wanted to hide him in my breast” (I feel like that was said twice) “my heavy breasts” please, stop.. I’m actually begging 😩😭
.
Following THAT would be the overusage of “plain faced, and maidenhead”.
.
All of these ridiculous redundancies completely took you out of the story, which would have been rather good otherwise!.. aside from the weird codependency instalove like mutual trauma attachment with the love interest, who is literally stupid (sweet, but dumb) for fucking around with her like I don’t see that appeal other than she ~sees~ him.. idk. That would have been my biggest complaint had it not been for the boob stuff.. oh my god.. so much boooooob stufffff!!! The actual sex scenes were really whatever, generally, I mean one was kind of weird, but I still could have just moved on from it.. however I can’t move on from the nipple-breast infatuation. Like if I punched myself in the face every time she brought up the titty-region for no reason I would be in a padded room, which honestly sounds peaceful after reading this.
.
Reid does have a lyrical way of going about such themes- but it is still a grim tale. But no amount of deep prose or atmosphere could cure me from the irreparable ick of all the above though! It started to read very much like a pretentious college student trying to be dark and poetic over and over without even realizing they were using the same strange metaphor they clung to and made the whole personality of the piece, to be different and tortured/edgy. I respect artsy, but this was so overdone, and rancid to the point of being straight up fetishization of those darker things. Her bulimia was just there, and borderline romanticized. She touched upon xenophobia and cultural shifts/classism.. and as a reader I’m like “thats and interesting thing ti fold into the foundation of the bad guy- these things are bad” but in the story they just float around.
.
And I literally hate to say any of this because I thought A Study in Drowning was beautiful, and as I mentioned, I have her other works in the queue. I do think she’s clever.. I seeeee what she’s trying to do in general with what I have read. I was excited for this read and gearing up for her to be a favorite author. I will still go into them with hopes I don’t run into anything like this again and that this was just… something she was trying out, *maybe* she didn’t have an editor when Juniper and Thorn came out.. because I just don’t see how no one else would be like.. hey, can we talk about this? Like, are you okay? What’s going on here.. let’s reeeeeeel it in a pinch, it’s taking away from your work and the seriousness of this story.
.
At the end of the day, I signed up to read a gothic, fairytellesque, adult horror fantasy.. that’s what I wanted, and there were some aspects of that in there! But I feel like I read some studiously written kink-fic. I feel like other reviews were vague like “it was overly sexual, graphic” no, no no.. it was freakish. I’m here telling you it’s not JUST sexual, one person said the fmc and mmc were “scurrying away to bang all the time” which isn’t true… there’s not that much intercourse.. it’s just a CONCERNING amount of TIT-shit, amongst other extremely dark and odd things that kind of get sexualized/romanticized for nothing.
.
I’m so glad I read ASID first otherwise I would be so reluctant to try her other work but I KNOW she’s good and hope that it just shows how she has evolved since.
.
Juniper & Thorn is a standalone gothic horror fantasy based off Slavic folklore. It was scary, it was gruesome. Not in a way where big bad things were always happening on page, but the tension. The way the FMCs father eats his dinner set me on edge.
.
Marlenchen is a witch, who lives with her two fairly wretched sisters and nightmare of father who keeps them under lock and key, isolating and harming them after turning their mother into a bird. The story itself had many metaphors for abuse. The way those causing harm can’t truly be satiated, their desperation for escalation, control, and the way survivors adapt, ultimately trying to overcome.
.
Marlens upbringing has made her naive and meek. The story unfolds as she tries to be brave and secretly rebel to experience what a normal 23 year old might, such as infatuation for a man on stage. Neither of which end up being much more than one or two town characters.
.
The actual monsters in this book remind me somewhat of Holly Blacks world building, which I love. The scaley, red eyed creature under the bed was less fearsome than the human men in this story. The ‘beast of man’ seems to be a theme in Reid’s writings.
.
Now up until this point, I would have said this book is around 3 stars for all of the above.. but allow me to continue..
.
My biggest suggestion is to MIND THE TRIGGERS! There is CSA, gore, death, cannibalism, and EDs to name a few. Overall, I could could handle all of that. Despite these ghastly things, what actually teetered this into a truly “weird” zone for me was the overly frequent mentionings and freakish descriptions of nipples..in graphic, violent, and odd ways…
.
Seriously, I would have rated this 1-2 stars MORE if it weren’t for all the weird boobie stuff. This book mentions breast and nipples an insufferable amount of times. It became a joke, I was so frustrated by it that I wanted to rip the book apart then and there, which never happens. I would have DNF usually I don’t hate read something but I had to see it through, and I had to take a week long break before I got past the last 15%.
.
I started counting at one point.. 6 “breasts” in a chapter. The next chapter? 11. . And that’s just breast, doesn’t include nipple, which were alternated between sometimes multiple times per page. For WHAT REASON!?
.
A vague excerpt from one PARAGRAPH:
“My nipples knotted with cold.. ….it circled my breast.. …and latched itself onto my nipple” then you turn the page and it’s literally just more breastnipplebreastnipple. In moments where it literally doesn’t have to be mentioned at all. I can’t stress this enough 😂
.
I think three times does she mention cutting nips.. “I imagine cutting my nipples with garden shears” and then goes on to say something like “and watch the skin unfold like the petals of a flower” or “bloom” or “the skin crawling back and blood covering like a glove” or some WEIRD SHIT LIKE THAT. It was SO MUCH, ALL THE TIME.
.
“Her breast swinging like a pendulum” “I wanted to hide him in my breast” (I feel like that was said twice) “my heavy breasts” please, stop.. I’m actually begging 😩😭
.
Following THAT would be the overusage of “plain faced, and maidenhead”.
.
All of these ridiculous redundancies completely took you out of the story, which would have been rather good otherwise!.. aside from the weird codependency instalove like mutual trauma attachment with the love interest, who is literally stupid (sweet, but dumb) for fucking around with her like I don’t see that appeal other than she ~sees~ him.. idk. That would have been my biggest complaint had it not been for the boob stuff.. oh my god.. so much boooooob stufffff!!! The actual sex scenes were really whatever, generally, I mean one was kind of weird, but I still could have just moved on from it.. however I can’t move on from the nipple-breast infatuation. Like if I punched myself in the face every time she brought up the titty-region for no reason I would be in a padded room, which honestly sounds peaceful after reading this.
.
Reid does have a lyrical way of going about such themes- but it is still a grim tale. But no amount of deep prose or atmosphere could cure me from the irreparable ick of all the above though! It started to read very much like a pretentious college student trying to be dark and poetic over and over without even realizing they were using the same strange metaphor they clung to and made the whole personality of the piece, to be different and tortured/edgy. I respect artsy, but this was so overdone, and rancid to the point of being straight up fetishization of those darker things. Her bulimia was just there, and borderline romanticized. She touched upon xenophobia and cultural shifts/classism.. and as a reader I’m like “thats and interesting thing ti fold into the foundation of the bad guy- these things are bad” but in the story they just float around.
.
And I literally hate to say any of this because I thought A Study in Drowning was beautiful, and as I mentioned, I have her other works in the queue. I do think she’s clever.. I seeeee what she’s trying to do in general with what I have read. I was excited for this read and gearing up for her to be a favorite author. I will still go into them with hopes I don’t run into anything like this again and that this was just… something she was trying out, *maybe* she didn’t have an editor when Juniper and Thorn came out.. because I just don’t see how no one else would be like.. hey, can we talk about this? Like, are you okay? What’s going on here.. let’s reeeeeeel it in a pinch, it’s taking away from your work and the seriousness of this story.
.
At the end of the day, I signed up to read a gothic, fairytellesque, adult horror fantasy.. that’s what I wanted, and there were some aspects of that in there! But I feel like I read some studiously written kink-fic. I feel like other reviews were vague like “it was overly sexual, graphic” no, no no.. it was freakish. I’m here telling you it’s not JUST sexual, one person said the fmc and mmc were “scurrying away to bang all the time” which isn’t true… there’s not that much intercourse.. it’s just a CONCERNING amount of TIT-shit, amongst other extremely dark and odd things that kind of get sexualized/romanticized for nothing.
.
I’m so glad I read ASID first otherwise I would be so reluctant to try her other work but I KNOW she’s good and hope that it just shows how she has evolved since.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Sexual content, Xenophobia, Body horror, Child abuse, Death, Emotional abuse, Gore, Blood, and Gaslighting
Moderate: Child abuse, Death of parent, Vomit, Murder, Adult/minor relationship, Eating disorder, Pedophilia, Self harm, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, Incest, Physical abuse, and Animal cruelty