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imbored_soillread's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
funny
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Very very smooth pace for such a long book. Great way to wrap up fantasy as a genre in one singular book.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, War, Blood, Fire/Fire injury, Gore, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Death, Sexism, Religious bigotry, and Slavery
zea_d_writing's review
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
This was my 2nd read through of this book.
When I first read Elantris, I loved it. I was fairly new to Sanderson’s work at that point and was kind of blown away by it all. The worldbuilding is detailed. The magic system is unique and interesting and complex and visual. The plot is a slow burn full of political intrigue that builds to a fairly satisfying crescendo of a climax before wrapping up nice and neat.
I was also in a fairly different place in life when I first read it; physically, mentally, and socially.
So I picked Elantris up again this year as the first book in my big Cosmere re-read and had…a very different experience of this book the second time around.
I still generally enjoyed it, don’t get me wrong. But it very quickly became very obvious that this was early in Sanderson’s career before he not only grew as an author but also (hopefully) as a person.
The story itself is not as clean as I’ve come to expect from Sanderson’s work. The worldbuilding isn’t as deeply intricate nor as subtly incorporated in this book as with his others. The plot and pacing are much slower and kind of stagnates in places. And the characters…the characters in this book are Sanderson’s weakest.
Sarene is damn close to being a Mary Sue without the self insert aspect nor a tragic backstory. She’s damn near perfect and isn’t shown to have many flaws (if any) that actually affect her arc and actions within the story. Sure, she seems to have some self-esteem issues. But that never stops her from being proud of herself, being confident, standing up for herself, etc. Sure, she claims that she isn’t attractive and no one wants her…but goes on to charm every single male character in the book including the antagonist. She can sword fight better than anyone, she’s an expert in politics and intrigue, she can solve puzzles and see patterns, she’s amazing at making public speeches at a moments notice, and the list goes on and on. She doesn’t read as a realistic human. She reads like an idealized independent yet feminine woman.
It gets nauseating at some point.
And I can’t say Raoden is much better, despite the fact that he’s my favorite of the three main POV. Something about him just made him pop off the page a little more than the others.
Hrathen I also found more interesting as a character and I feel he also had more internalized weaknesses and faults that actually impacted his arc and story, but he still didn’t feel entirely consistent. And honestly his “turning point” in the book, while not entirely out of the blue, also didn’t feel entirely earned either.
ALL OF THIS ASIDE, the poorer characterization isn’t actually what made me so disappointed in this reread.
What really caught me off guard during this reread was the blatant ableism, sexism, fatphobia, and racism throughout this book.
I knew, in the greater discussion of Sanderson as an author, that his earlier work contained a lot of biases he held before he very publicly started having discussions with his fan base about these issues, listening to the affected groups, and started implementing sensitivity readers. I knew all this, but I also hadn’t read his older work in a good long while in order to remember the extent of it.
As a disabled individual, I think there could be some really interesting discussions had about the Elantrians. How the Shaod can happen to anyone, at any time, without warning. How, instead of taking care of the Elantrians and giving them the tools to be able to take care of themselves, they are cast out of society and expected to fend for themselves within a system that intentionally isolates and impoverishes them.
I think there are really solid discussions to be had here. And I have no doubt this was the intention on Sanderson’s part.
However, the execution of exploring disability through this lens fell flat for me. Overshadowed by the blatant ableism displayed by all of the characters, how the aspect of chronic pain was “solved” in the narrative, and the use of the magical cure trope and how it applied to the only autistic character.
And I found that that was a theme throughout the book in regards to both the casual and overt sexism, fatphobia, xenophobia, and racism. The book tried to address SOME of these issues but always failed to do so with any nuance or authenticity. In many cases these problems weren’t being addressed at all and were simply there in the text or, worse, acknowledged and even joked about.
I’m not going to go into full detail on the long list of examples for these issues (the autistic coded character, the autistic character being magically cured, how both Shuden and Galladon are often referred to by their race instead of names, how Raoden - a pale skinned character - puts on an illusion to make him appear to be the same race/nationality as Galladon - a dark skinned character - and has Galladon pose as his servant, the rapey joke made by Roial, the numerous fatphobic jokes…etc) because if I did the review would be too long but the list is unfortunately far longer than I expected it to be upon going into this reread.
Overall, this book has a lot of problems. I like the plot and the story as a whole. I think some of the characters are interesting. And the magic system is easily the best aspect of the book.
It was also fun to see the first appearance of Hoid in the Cosmere.
If I didn’t already know that Sanderson is learning to do better, has taken steps to mitigate further harm, and improved in these specific areas in future books, I wouldn’t continue reading him based on this book alone.
Thankfully, he has. So, for now, I’ll continue to read.
I just might not be revisiting this one again.
And hopefully, when Sanderson finally gets around to writing in Sel again, he’ll fix some of these problems when he does.
When I first read Elantris, I loved it. I was fairly new to Sanderson’s work at that point and was kind of blown away by it all. The worldbuilding is detailed. The magic system is unique and interesting and complex and visual. The plot is a slow burn full of political intrigue that builds to a fairly satisfying crescendo of a climax before wrapping up nice and neat.
I was also in a fairly different place in life when I first read it; physically, mentally, and socially.
So I picked Elantris up again this year as the first book in my big Cosmere re-read and had…a very different experience of this book the second time around.
I still generally enjoyed it, don’t get me wrong. But it very quickly became very obvious that this was early in Sanderson’s career before he not only grew as an author but also (hopefully) as a person.
The story itself is not as clean as I’ve come to expect from Sanderson’s work. The worldbuilding isn’t as deeply intricate nor as subtly incorporated in this book as with his others. The plot and pacing are much slower and kind of stagnates in places. And the characters…the characters in this book are Sanderson’s weakest.
Sarene is damn close to being a Mary Sue without the self insert aspect nor a tragic backstory. She’s damn near perfect and isn’t shown to have many flaws (if any) that actually affect her arc and actions within the story. Sure, she seems to have some self-esteem issues. But that never stops her from being proud of herself, being confident, standing up for herself, etc. Sure, she claims that she isn’t attractive and no one wants her…but goes on to charm every single male character in the book including the antagonist. She can sword fight better than anyone, she’s an expert in politics and intrigue, she can solve puzzles and see patterns, she’s amazing at making public speeches at a moments notice, and the list goes on and on. She doesn’t read as a realistic human. She reads like an idealized independent yet feminine woman.
It gets nauseating at some point.
And I can’t say Raoden is much better, despite the fact that he’s my favorite of the three main POV. Something about him just made him pop off the page a little more than the others.
Hrathen I also found more interesting as a character and I feel he also had more internalized weaknesses and faults that actually impacted his arc and story, but he still didn’t feel entirely consistent. And honestly his “turning point” in the book, while not entirely out of the blue, also didn’t feel entirely earned either.
ALL OF THIS ASIDE, the poorer characterization isn’t actually what made me so disappointed in this reread.
What really caught me off guard during this reread was the blatant ableism, sexism, fatphobia, and racism throughout this book.
I knew, in the greater discussion of Sanderson as an author, that his earlier work contained a lot of biases he held before he very publicly started having discussions with his fan base about these issues, listening to the affected groups, and started implementing sensitivity readers. I knew all this, but I also hadn’t read his older work in a good long while in order to remember the extent of it.
As a disabled individual, I think there could be some really interesting discussions had about the Elantrians. How the Shaod can happen to anyone, at any time, without warning. How, instead of taking care of the Elantrians and giving them the tools to be able to take care of themselves, they are cast out of society and expected to fend for themselves within a system that intentionally isolates and impoverishes them.
I think there are really solid discussions to be had here. And I have no doubt this was the intention on Sanderson’s part.
However, the execution of exploring disability through this lens fell flat for me. Overshadowed by the blatant ableism displayed by all of the characters, how the aspect of chronic pain was “solved” in the narrative, and the use of the magical cure trope and how it applied to the only autistic character.
And I found that that was a theme throughout the book in regards to both the casual and overt sexism, fatphobia, xenophobia, and racism. The book tried to address SOME of these issues but always failed to do so with any nuance or authenticity. In many cases these problems weren’t being addressed at all and were simply there in the text or, worse, acknowledged and even joked about.
I’m not going to go into full detail on the long list of examples for these issues (the autistic coded character, the autistic character being magically cured, how both Shuden and Galladon are often referred to by their race instead of names, how Raoden - a pale skinned character - puts on an illusion to make him appear to be the same race/nationality as Galladon - a dark skinned character - and has Galladon pose as his servant, the rapey joke made by Roial, the numerous fatphobic jokes…etc) because if I did the review would be too long but the list is unfortunately far longer than I expected it to be upon going into this reread.
Overall, this book has a lot of problems. I like the plot and the story as a whole. I think some of the characters are interesting. And the magic system is easily the best aspect of the book.
It was also fun to see the first appearance of Hoid in the Cosmere.
If I didn’t already know that Sanderson is learning to do better, has taken steps to mitigate further harm, and improved in these specific areas in future books, I wouldn’t continue reading him based on this book alone.
Thankfully, he has. So, for now, I’ll continue to read.
I just might not be revisiting this one again.
And hopefully, when Sanderson finally gets around to writing in Sel again, he’ll fix some of these problems when he does.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Fatphobia, Classism, Ableism, Chronic illness, Death, Violence, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, and War
Moderate: Misogyny, Racism, Colonisation, and Eating disorder
petitemass15's review against another edition
adventurous
hopeful
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Violence, and Injury/Injury detail
Minor: War, Death of parent, and Murder
hayleystagg's review against another edition
adventurous
mysterious
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
5.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Death and Murder
Minor: Kidnapping, Child death, and Slavery
iono's review against another edition
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Torture, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, Confinement, Abandonment, Sexism, and Religious bigotry
Moderate: Classism, War, Violence, Xenophobia, Colonisation, and Genocide
Minor: Misogyny, Blood, Slavery, Child death, Death, and Gore
merlucito's review
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
This whole review contains spoilers
I would've never imagined that a fantasy book about conscious zombies was going to be this relatable. I have chronic pain; every day, I wake up and my body hurts, all of it; sometimes the pain is so big that I can barely walk, sometimes is something in the back of my brain. So, reading about the Elantrians and their constant pain and how they started to manage it really resonated with me. And it means a lot.
That's probably I loved Raoden so much. He refuses to fall for the pain, he sets a goal for himself and the whole city and pursues it even when the hunger and the pain never leave.
I would've never imagined that a fantasy book about conscious zombies was going to be this relatable. I have chronic pain; every day, I wake up and my body hurts, all of it; sometimes the pain is so big that I can barely walk, sometimes is something in the back of my brain. So, reading about the Elantrians and their constant pain and how they started to manage it really resonated with me. And it means a lot.
That's probably I loved Raoden so much. He refuses to fall for the pain, he sets a goal for himself and the whole city and pursues it even when the hunger and the pain never leave.
The man had come looking for a magical solution to his woes, but he had found an answer much more simple. Pain lost its power when other things became more important. Kahan didn't need a potion or an Aon to save him—he just needed something to do.
That, right there, was perfect. For me, at least. Raoden gave them what they needed and they forgot the pain. And I've been in that situation: when I'm doing something that's important, I can forget about my pain; when I'm working, my body doesn't scream as much. But if I stay all day in bed, doing nothing, feeling sorry for myself, the pain gets worse, because all my mind does is think of it. And so I loved everything about Raoden and Elantris. And I see myself re-reading some of those parts in the future, when I feel down.
On the other side, I also loved the political stuff. Sarene was a great character to follow and I really liked her interactions with the other nobles. The religious aspects of the world were really, really interesting and it kept my attention at all moments. Hrathren was a little tedious to read at times, but it ended up being a very interesting perspective. I love the discussion presented with his character and it was great to see the different sides of religion, and how men manipulate the belief systems to justify their atrocious actions. I think it's specially interesting coming from an author that's religious himself and as an atheist, I found it just... fascinating.
And, lastly, I just loved the magic system. But with Sanderson, I didn't expect less. I always love the magic in his books. In every chapter I went back and forth between the reading and the Arcs Arcanum to see which Aon was drawn and how that connected with what happened. I just loved it, I want to know more about the Dor.
I have the Arcanum Unbounded, so I'll just run to read The Hope of Elantris now, bye!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Chronic illness, Murder, and Death
Moderate: Torture
Minor: Suicide
A mayor theme of the book is religion and the atrocities men do in the name of their gods.mandkips's review against another edition
adventurous
mysterious
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Murder, and Body horror
Moderate: Religious bigotry and Violence
Minor: Child death, Suicide, and Sexism
apersonfromflorida's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Body horror, Murder, and Violence
Moderate: Genocide, Religious bigotry, and Suicidal thoughts
Minor: Confinement
jgberokoff's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
funny
lighthearted
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
Coming off of reading the Mistborn trilogy, Elantris feels very different. This book feels a bit less polished compared to the other Sanderson books I’ve read. However I did really enjoy this book! The first half is pretty slow and is mostly political intrigue. The last ~150 pages take a real left turn and it gets pretty dark at the end. The last section of the book definitely felt rushed but it was really good!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death and Body horror
reneebkreviews's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Mental illness, Death, Slavery, Chronic illness, and Suicide
Moderate: Confinement, Injury/Injury detail, Eating disorder, Torture, Death of parent, and Sexism