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wooblatoober's review against another edition
challenging
funny
lighthearted
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
i’m surprised to say i really enjoyed this book, especially as i got to the end. it was an exceedingly difficult read for me since it was published in 1815 (not my reading forte), & i had many complaints at the beginning, but all of them were assuaged as the book went on. i was expecting it to be like little women, since that was austen’s only other work i had read before this, in ways i didn’t like—little women spelled out, from how i saw it, that the husband knows best and that’s that. i felt like in the marriage department, little women put too much fault on the women too often, and not enough fault on the men, when there were problems or disagreements. emma couldn’t be more different from little women in this aspect, likely, i think, because it’s fictional, so austen can make the men whatever she wants them to be, but she does a great job of making it still seem realistic, as much as i can tell as an american living in the 21st century, who doesn’t know the ins and outs and subtleties of the highly structured culture of england in 1815.
below is my spoiler-riddled feminist discussion about the book.
besides interactions with men in which emma is empowered, i really appreciate her relationship with jane—she doesn’t like her at first, a bit arbitrarily and a bit due to jealousy in ways, it seems—but they become friends at the end, & hot girls being friends instead of having a rivalry is just so sexy. & THEN, mr. knightley is dreamy lol! i suspected at the beginning that she would be wrong about everything, he would be right about everything, and they’d get married because he’s “good for her” or some shit. but i was pleasantly wrong. emma, who is much younger than mr. knightley (which i feel gives her much better reason to be wrong, rather than just being a woman lol), is wrong about a lot of things—BUT!!! mr. knightley is wrong about things, too. not only that, he seeks out harriet to get to know her and try to see emma’s side, & OPENLY ADMITS to emma that he was wrong about her. & there was something sweet to me about their convo about how emma treated miss bates—mr. knightley wasn’t mad, & didn’t think she meant to be mean. he just told her it hurt miss bates’s feelings—no unsolicited advice, just the facts he believed she would have wanted to know. not to mention mr. knightley MOVED IN WITH HER when they got married, despite being richer, having a better home, & being in a relatively higher place in society (i think), just so her dad wouldn’t be upset. even though they /did/ believe stress back then would make you die, i still believe it’s sweet, especially for the time period. i think any other man would at least just put off the wedding until mr. woodhouse died, at the least. more impatient men might even insist she moves in with him with her father, or even without mr. woodhouse.
i really liked emma. i feel like i could relate to her in a lot of ways, and i really enjoyed that. it was almost like the book was being written from my own point of view—i thought the same way as emma, like, the whole time lol. i didn’t even see a lot of twists coming that i think the reader was meant to see.
the classism bothered me, the belief that your blood firmly cements you into what kind of person you can be, and i understand that it would have been even more feminist for emma to never get married,let alone to a man who was an adult when he fell in love with her when she was 13. but i also want to acknowledge first that she was an adult when he confessed to her and when they got married, and again that this was written in 1815, and how much we don’t understand about the culture of england in that time period unless we’re scholars who study it. there are so many subtleties that go over our heads, that were outrageously feminist for the time. i can’t ask for a woman growing up in the late 1700s—not only growing up with those ideologies and understandings of society, but writing her books for other people living in the early 1800s who have those ideologies and understandings of society, and living with the consequences of what she publishes, or what she can even get published—to be completely politically correct for 2024. like she was wrong in those aspects—the classism, the power relationship mr. knightley would have more realistically had over her, the fact that she could have stayed single. it was 200 years ago. she was right in a lot of other ways, and that’s what i enjoyed. not to mention austen purposely wrote it as a romance, so emma might as well fall in love with the one man who ever admits he’s wrong lmao. i just wanted to add this to my review after seeing so many reviews that complained about those things. it’s still a book written 200 years ago, & that’s something to keep in mind so you can enjoy it in its context.
below is my spoiler-riddled feminist discussion about the book.
i really liked emma. i feel like i could relate to her in a lot of ways, and i really enjoyed that. it was almost like the book was being written from my own point of view—i thought the same way as emma, like, the whole time lol. i didn’t even see a lot of twists coming that i think the reader was meant to see.
the classism bothered me, the belief that your blood firmly cements you into what kind of person you can be, and i understand that it would have been even more feminist for emma to never get married,
Content Warnings
Graphic: Classism, Racism, and Racial slurs
Moderate: Chronic illness, Sexism, Adult/minor relationship, and Toxic friendship
Minor: Death of parent, Pregnancy, and Death
wickedgrumpy's review against another edition
emotional
hopeful
lighthearted
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
This one dragged on a bit to really hammer the point home.
Content Warnings
Minor: Sexism, Chronic illness, Abandonment, Medical content, Toxic relationship, Toxic friendship, Death of parent, Misogyny, Pregnancy, Stalking, Classism, and Gaslighting
bessadams's review against another edition
emotional
funny
hopeful
lighthearted
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Death of parent, Classism, Sexism, and Chronic illness
Minor: Death, Racial slurs, and Racism
takarakei's review against another edition
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
I find rating classics to be so difficult cause I really just don’t think I have a brain for them. Honestly I’d skip the read and just watch the 2020 movie adaptation which is delightful.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Classism and Sexism
Moderate: Racial slurs and Chronic illness
Minor: Racism, Death of parent, Death, and Abandonment
abibea's review against another edition
emotional
lighthearted
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
4.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Classism
Minor: Chronic illness and Racism
natashaleighton_'s review against another edition
funny
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexism and Classism
Moderate: Chronic illness
ylienna's review against another edition
funny
lighthearted
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.25
Content Warnings
Graphic: Classism, Adult/minor relationship, and Sexism
Moderate: Chronic illness
Minor: Death and Death of parent
solouncapitulomas's review against another edition
emotional
funny
lighthearted
reflective
relaxing
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
yeah so the fact that he was in love with her when she was like 13 doesn't sit right with me and the four starts are for emma and emma only bc she is an icon and i love her
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexism, Adult/minor relationship, and Classism
Moderate: Chronic illness and Racism
Minor: Death, Racial slurs, and Death of parent
hannahbailey's review against another edition
lighthearted
reflective
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
TW: sexism, classism and gypsy/traveller stereotypes
Jane, I'm so sorry I didn't like this. I just visited your house and loved it. You're a feminist icon! But wow, this book is long and boring. I did enjoy Pride and Prejudice though, so I'm not an Austen hater. This book just wasn't for me.
People that know me know I hate long sentences. Punctuation is free to use guys, you don't have to fill a whole page with your monologue. Taking a breath is ok. Letting someone else speak every once in a while is ok. What's not ok is saying something in five paragraphs that could be said in one line! The way this novel was written combined with the very dry subject matter made it an absolute SLOG to get through. If it wasn't a renowned and popular classic written by a woman, I would've dnf'd. I like to support women where I can 😌
I would say that some parts were enjoyable and it did feel ahead of its time. The women were often outspoken and sometimes cheeky and unafraid to turn down a marriage proposal. Most of them showed independence of thought and self, which was quite refreshing. Some of the characters were endearing and likeable, but most of them were snobby and uptight. Every new character introduced was more boring and annoying than the last. It's a surprise that I managed to get through the whole thing. Emma was especially judgemental and liked to categorise people by their class, which was always lower than her own. The Tory party would love her!
I can appreciate this was a gentle critique of marital arrangements and women's place in society at the time, but Austen could not keep me engaged nor interested in what was going on. Which, to be fair, wasn't much, given that rich people back then seemed to do nothing other than visit each other's houses and look down upon the poor. And if it was bad weather, write to each other instead. Rather similar to now I suppose.
Jane, I'm so sorry I didn't like this. I just visited your house and loved it. You're a feminist icon! But wow, this book is long and boring. I did enjoy Pride and Prejudice though, so I'm not an Austen hater. This book just wasn't for me.
People that know me know I hate long sentences. Punctuation is free to use guys, you don't have to fill a whole page with your monologue. Taking a breath is ok. Letting someone else speak every once in a while is ok. What's not ok is saying something in five paragraphs that could be said in one line! The way this novel was written combined with the very dry subject matter made it an absolute SLOG to get through. If it wasn't a renowned and popular classic written by a woman, I would've dnf'd. I like to support women where I can 😌
I would say that some parts were enjoyable and it did feel ahead of its time. The women were often outspoken and sometimes cheeky and unafraid to turn down a marriage proposal. Most of them showed independence of thought and self, which was quite refreshing. Some of the characters were endearing and likeable, but most of them were snobby and uptight. Every new character introduced was more boring and annoying than the last. It's a surprise that I managed to get through the whole thing. Emma was especially judgemental and liked to categorise people by their class, which was always lower than her own. The Tory party would love her!
I can appreciate this was a gentle critique of marital arrangements and women's place in society at the time, but Austen could not keep me engaged nor interested in what was going on. Which, to be fair, wasn't much, given that rich people back then seemed to do nothing other than visit each other's houses and look down upon the poor. And if it was bad weather, write to each other instead. Rather similar to now I suppose.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Classism, Death, Chronic illness, Sexism, Death of parent, and Misogyny
eggsoap's review against another edition
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.25
I found Emma to be the hardest of Austen's novels to get through of the ones ive read. The blatant self-importance of Emma herself isn't that different to many Austen characters but the fact that this leads her to veiw of the people around her has mainly seeming to exist for her entertainment makes her hard to like. She probably has the most character development of any of Austen's heroines throughout her novel, except maybe Lizzy Bennett, but the vhange happens much later in the story for Emma and she does a lot more outward harm through her actions before the development.
The biggest point in Emma's favour is that her character growth is mainly self prompted. She doesn't really need any prompting beyond Mr Knightly telling her how much she hurt Miss Bates on the Box Hill trip to begin her self-reflection and attempts to repent. She has a lot of loyalty for the people in Highbury, but it is only once she actually sees just how arrogant she has become and reflect on rhe damage that it has done that she really is able be properly generous and display the care to the people around her that she should. Due to her own guilt she does develop and become kinder and stops treating the lives others as her entertainment.
Ironically, it is her arrogance makes Emma's romance with Mr. Knightly so satisfying to read. They know each other so well and they care about each other so obviously, that Emma's willfull blindess his and her own feelings and complete resolution to never marry, make the payoff that much better in the end. They might be my favourite couple, if I could get over Mr Knightly admitting to Emma that he fell in love with her when she was 13. Yuck.
The biggest point in Emma's favour is that her character growth is mainly self prompted. She doesn't really need any prompting beyond Mr Knightly telling her how much she hurt Miss Bates on the Box Hill trip to begin her self-reflection and attempts to repent. She has a lot of loyalty for the people in Highbury, but it is only once she actually sees just how arrogant she has become and reflect on rhe damage that it has done that she really is able be properly generous and display the care to the people around her that she should. Due to her own guilt she does develop and become kinder and stops treating the lives others as her entertainment.
Ironically, it is her arrogance makes Emma's romance with Mr. Knightly so satisfying to read. They know each other so well and they care about each other so obviously, that Emma's willfull blindess his and her own feelings and complete resolution to never marry, make the payoff that much better in the end. They might be my favourite couple, if I could get over Mr Knightly admitting to Emma that he fell in love with her when she was 13. Yuck.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Racial slurs, Classism, Racism, and Sexism
Moderate: Chronic illness
Minor: Addiction