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kathydavie's review against another edition
4.0
A standalone novel that tweaks the Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer tales into a "modern" English story about a young girl and a cellist and set in Middleton, England. It feels as if it's set in the 1970s.
In 1986, Fire and Hemlock was nominated for the Mythopoeic Fantasy Award.
My Take
Jones makes use of a framing device to set up this story-as-object, as Polly looks back on those memories she should have had. Be warned, it is quite the confusing story, even if it is a clever bit of writing, and I do wish Jones had been clearer on some of the events. I also wish she'd injected more terror in Morton Leroy's threats. There was a creepiness to the story as well. Primarily because of society's current stance on older men and young girls.
The pace is confusing, as it seems to herk and jerk, and probably because of the way in which Jones presents her story, spiraling to one side and then the other. Character-wise, it's not the individual characters that drive the story so much as the twist Jones' put on the Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer stories with the actions Polly and Thomas take.
Jones uses third person protagonist point-of-view from Polly's perspective...all the better to keep that confusion going!
Mum drives me mad! I detest men who fool around on their wives, but in this case, Reg may well have reason, even if he is a weasel. That Ivy is nutso-cuckoo! As for that attitude of hers about attending events at Polly's school...take her out back to be shot! And it's not the only incident that convinces me Ivy should never have been a mother!
Mostly Polly and Thomas communicate through letters — Tom hopes Polly will pick up hints from the many books he sends her. Once in awhile, they meet up in various places. It's the incident with the horse that causes Polly to decide to train to be a proper hero, and it leads her in some interesting directions.
What's the deal with Laurel being Thomas' ex-wife, sending him to Wilton, almost adopting him??? I'm also confused about that test at the end and how Polly comes to her conclusion that she must lose to win.
Whew, those revelations at the end, that I could understand, made sense of why the portcullis didn't hurt Thomas badly! Although, I still don't understand why it is so important for Seb to marry Polly?
It is a fascinating story, and writers should consider reading Jones' "The Heroic Ideal — A Personal Odyssey" at the end of the story for the books and thoughts that influence Jones' work. I certainly liked her definition of a hero, as "the one you identify with in the story". Then her reveal about the kinds of heroes.
The Story
All it takes is a woman being rude to change the course of Thomas' life and cause him to gift Polly with Fire and Hemlock. A gift that leads to threats.
Now, as Polly is packing up for college, she thinks back...and isn't sure what she remembers.
The Characters
Polly Whittacker starts the story object as a nine-year-old and is torn between her crazy mother and her wimpy father. Granny is her father's mother and Polly's anchor in the storm of her life. Mintchoc (short for Mint Chocolate) is Granny's black-and-white cat. Tom had been Polly's grandfather with a talent for the violin. Ivy is her very odd duck of a mother who has issues; she gets a job at Middleton Hospital and decides to take in lodgers, including David Bragge and Kenneth Curtis. Dad, Reg, has his own problems, including Joanna Retton, the girlfriend with whom he's been fooling around.
Thomas Lynn is a cellist with the British Philharmonic Orchestra who takes a chance. Lorenzo is the horse Thomas bought and boarded with Mary Fields, who became his girlfriend. Carla is a fellow tenant and neighbor of Thomas'. Charles Lynn is Thomas' brother.
The name of the Dumas Quartet plays off...
...Alexandre Dumas, the writer, and includes Samuel Rensky/Tan Hanivar and Edward Davies/Tan Thare who both play violin. Ann Abraham/Tan Audel (she's also a Leroy) plays viola. The four of them write a book, Tales from Nowhere.
Hunsdon House is...
...where Polly first met Thomas when Mrs Mabel Tatiana Leroy Perry's funeral was held. Mrs Eudora Mabel "Laurel" Lorelei Perry Lynn is her daughter and Thomas' ex-wife. Relatives include Morton Perry Leroy, Silvia Nuala Leroy Perry, Robert Goodman Leroy Perry, and Sebastian "Marmaduke" Ralph Perry Leroy, Morton's son. Its garden holds the Nowhere stone vases.
Fiona Perks becomes a friend of Polly's, and her father, Mr Perks, runs a taxi service. Hans was the German with whom Fiona ran off. The bullying Nina Carrington is the first friend mentioned who ends up with a passion for boys. Mira Anderton was the school bully. Mr Herring runs the Drama Society. Kristie Jefferson will play Columbine. Fiona played Pierrette. Mr Partridge is in charge of the field trip.
Granny's main friends are Mrs Gold, a.k.a., "Aches", and Mrs Ormond, a.k.a., "Pains".
The Fantasy begins in...
...Stow-on-the-Water. Polly wants to be a hero and has created Tan Coul (Thomas) who runs an ironmonger's shop with Polly as his assistant. Edna is his sister. Maisie Millet is a clerk at the supermarket. Tan Coul's friends include Tan Audel, who remembers everything; Tan Thare, who calls music out of the air; and, Tan Hanivar, who is a shapeshifter.
The Obah Cypt is a quite unexpected artifact. Janet had rescued Thomas the Rhymer.
Stow-on-the-Water, England
Thomas Piper owns an ironmongery, Thomas Piper Hardware, and has a sister, Edna. Maisie Millet is a traffic warden. Leslie "Georgie-Porgie" Piper is brilliant with a flute and is Edna's son.
Michael Moorcock is one of the authors. Mr O'Keefe is an Irishman who accepts notes. Wilton College is a public school where Sebastian is Head Boy and Leslie will attend.
The Cover and Title
The cover is quite fantastical with its murky background and hazy house and garden. The two stone vases from Hunsdon House's garden are front-and-center in greenish-yellow, pink, gray, and browns, sitting in a white cloud, and framed by deeper reds and pinks. At the top is an info blurb in black. The author's name is below this, separated onto three lines, seemingly encased in ice with its embossed black outline and the pink, white, and blues flowing and filling the letters. At the bottom is the title in a gradated white to yellow with an info blurb on the author of the introduction in white.
The title is the photograph that pulls it all together: Fire and Hemlock.
In 1986, Fire and Hemlock was nominated for the Mythopoeic Fantasy Award.
My Take
Jones makes use of a framing device to set up this story-as-object, as Polly looks back on those memories she should have had. Be warned, it is quite the confusing story, even if it is a clever bit of writing, and I do wish Jones had been clearer on some of the events. I also wish she'd injected more terror in Morton Leroy's threats. There was a creepiness to the story as well. Primarily because of society's current stance on older men and young girls.
The pace is confusing, as it seems to herk and jerk, and probably because of the way in which Jones presents her story, spiraling to one side and then the other. Character-wise, it's not the individual characters that drive the story so much as the twist Jones' put on the Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer stories with the actions Polly and Thomas take.
Jones uses third person protagonist point-of-view from Polly's perspective...all the better to keep that confusion going!
Mum drives me mad! I detest men who fool around on their wives, but in this case, Reg may well have reason, even if he is a weasel. That Ivy is nutso-cuckoo! As for that attitude of hers about attending events at Polly's school...take her out back to be shot! And it's not the only incident that convinces me Ivy should never have been a mother!
Mostly Polly and Thomas communicate through letters — Tom hopes Polly will pick up hints from the many books he sends her. Once in awhile, they meet up in various places. It's the incident with the horse that causes Polly to decide to train to be a proper hero, and it leads her in some interesting directions.
What's the deal with Laurel being Thomas' ex-wife, sending him to Wilton, almost adopting him??? I'm also confused about that test at the end and how Polly comes to her conclusion that she must lose to win.
Whew, those revelations at the end, that I could understand, made sense of why the portcullis didn't hurt Thomas badly! Although, I still don't understand why it is so important for Seb to marry Polly?
It is a fascinating story, and writers should consider reading Jones' "The Heroic Ideal — A Personal Odyssey" at the end of the story for the books and thoughts that influence Jones' work. I certainly liked her definition of a hero, as "the one you identify with in the story". Then her reveal about the kinds of heroes.
The Story
All it takes is a woman being rude to change the course of Thomas' life and cause him to gift Polly with Fire and Hemlock. A gift that leads to threats.
Now, as Polly is packing up for college, she thinks back...and isn't sure what she remembers.
The Characters
Polly Whittacker starts the story object as a nine-year-old and is torn between her crazy mother and her wimpy father. Granny is her father's mother and Polly's anchor in the storm of her life. Mintchoc (short for Mint Chocolate) is Granny's black-and-white cat. Tom had been Polly's grandfather with a talent for the violin. Ivy is her very odd duck of a mother who has issues; she gets a job at Middleton Hospital and decides to take in lodgers, including David Bragge and Kenneth Curtis. Dad, Reg, has his own problems, including Joanna Retton, the girlfriend with whom he's been fooling around.
Thomas Lynn is a cellist with the British Philharmonic Orchestra who takes a chance. Lorenzo is the horse Thomas bought and boarded with Mary Fields, who became his girlfriend. Carla is a fellow tenant and neighbor of Thomas'. Charles Lynn is Thomas' brother.
The name of the Dumas Quartet plays off...
...Alexandre Dumas, the writer, and includes Samuel Rensky/Tan Hanivar and Edward Davies/Tan Thare who both play violin. Ann Abraham/Tan Audel (she's also a Leroy) plays viola. The four of them write a book, Tales from Nowhere.
Hunsdon House is...
...where Polly first met Thomas when Mrs Mabel Tatiana Leroy Perry's funeral was held. Mrs Eudora Mabel "Laurel" Lorelei Perry Lynn is her daughter and Thomas' ex-wife. Relatives include Morton Perry Leroy, Silvia Nuala Leroy Perry, Robert Goodman Leroy Perry, and Sebastian "Marmaduke" Ralph Perry Leroy, Morton's son. Its garden holds the Nowhere stone vases.
Fiona Perks becomes a friend of Polly's, and her father, Mr Perks, runs a taxi service. Hans was the German with whom Fiona ran off. The bullying Nina Carrington is the first friend mentioned who ends up with a passion for boys. Mira Anderton was the school bully. Mr Herring runs the Drama Society. Kristie Jefferson will play Columbine. Fiona played Pierrette. Mr Partridge is in charge of the field trip.
Granny's main friends are Mrs Gold, a.k.a., "Aches", and Mrs Ormond, a.k.a., "Pains".
The Fantasy begins in...
...Stow-on-the-Water. Polly wants to be a hero and has created Tan Coul (Thomas) who runs an ironmonger's shop with Polly as his assistant. Edna is his sister. Maisie Millet is a clerk at the supermarket. Tan Coul's friends include Tan Audel, who remembers everything; Tan Thare, who calls music out of the air; and, Tan Hanivar, who is a shapeshifter.
The Obah Cypt is a quite unexpected artifact. Janet had rescued Thomas the Rhymer.
Stow-on-the-Water, England
Thomas Piper owns an ironmongery, Thomas Piper Hardware, and has a sister, Edna. Maisie Millet is a traffic warden. Leslie "Georgie-Porgie" Piper is brilliant with a flute and is Edna's son.
Michael Moorcock is one of the authors. Mr O'Keefe is an Irishman who accepts notes. Wilton College is a public school where Sebastian is Head Boy and Leslie will attend.
The Cover and Title
The cover is quite fantastical with its murky background and hazy house and garden. The two stone vases from Hunsdon House's garden are front-and-center in greenish-yellow, pink, gray, and browns, sitting in a white cloud, and framed by deeper reds and pinks. At the top is an info blurb in black. The author's name is below this, separated onto three lines, seemingly encased in ice with its embossed black outline and the pink, white, and blues flowing and filling the letters. At the bottom is the title in a gradated white to yellow with an info blurb on the author of the introduction in white.
The title is the photograph that pulls it all together: Fire and Hemlock.
luchacabra's review against another edition
adventurous
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
5.0
I love rereading this book - I always pick up on details I never noticed before.
This does have a relationship with an age gap, but I'm reminded on each re-read that we don't quite see how young Tom is when he first meets Polly, since she describes him as being older. As far as I know, this is the retelling of the Tam Lin fairytale and I think it's adapted to our modern world well.
This does have a relationship with an age gap, but I'm reminded on each re-read that we don't quite see how young Tom is when he first meets Polly, since she describes him as being older. As far as I know, this is the retelling of the Tam Lin fairytale and I think it's adapted to our modern world well.
melanie42's review against another edition
challenging
dark
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
antimony's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
tense
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
i have absolutely no clue how to rate this book. this isn't an "it was ok" 3 stars this is a "i am so deeply conflicted" 3 stars. i couldn't put it down all evening but i was yelling at the characters the whole time. near the end i had to constantly flip back to the first chapter to figure out how things were connecting. i had to google an explanation of the ending when i finished it but it's clear that it is so intricate as well....
things i liked:
- there is so much in this book. i know there are a thousand layers i did not pick up on and it was intricately crafted together and i really respect that about it
- the writing was very good as well. it was really unputdownable especially the last couple parts. i was so very locked in
- the characters were well-crafted which sounds like such a snobby compliment but bc i didn't really love them i don't know how else to put it...
things i didn't like:
-HELLO WHYY IN THE WORLD DID THEY DECIDE THEY SHOULD TRY TO START A RELATIONSHIP AT THE END. like i can forgive a lot of the stuff at the beginning bc polly is an infatuated kid and some kids just do that and tom clearly is not interested. but after she saves him and they've come to the realization that not only was there the power dynamic of them meeting when she was 10 and he was 20-25 he also has accidentally magically molded her into something that kind of belongs to him because of lorelei's gift about the things he imagines coming true???? i don't like that. i don't think they needed to try and start again. i think they could be great friends and i don't think there's anything wrong with intergenerational friendships. or perhaps if they left it and came back to it when she was like 25 or 30 then i don't care but like actually howw in the world did he watch her grow up and he was almost like a parental figure (i know he was too sporadic in her life to truly be one but like maybe like that relative you only see twice a year?) but ohhh now she's 19 ohhh we can try to have a relationship...ughhh i don't want to be the sort of person who says adults and kids can't be friends or that every age gap is inherently problematic and weird but i think in this case it is. and i get that tam lin is an inherently romantic story to retell and so the tam lin character has to be a certain age so he can romantically belong to the fairy queen at the beginning and dwj wanted the mc to be a kid but like perhaps maybe you just retell a different story....didn't help that until page like 300 when i was looking at goodreads reviews that said he was in his 20s i'd been imagining tom to be in his 30s...
that being said i totally understand why people love this book and i wish i could love it more because i truly did at some points...but i think perhaps if the ending had just gone a little teeny bit differently (polly saves tom and they can stay friends idc but they DON'T decide to start their relationship from a blank romantic slate) i would have enjoyed a lot more
things i liked:
- there is so much in this book. i know there are a thousand layers i did not pick up on and it was intricately crafted together and i really respect that about it
- the writing was very good as well. it was really unputdownable especially the last couple parts. i was so very locked in
- the characters were well-crafted which sounds like such a snobby compliment but bc i didn't really love them i don't know how else to put it...
things i didn't like:
-HELLO WHYY IN THE WORLD DID THEY DECIDE THEY SHOULD TRY TO START A RELATIONSHIP AT THE END. like i can forgive a lot of the stuff at the beginning bc polly is an infatuated kid and some kids just do that and tom clearly is not interested. but after she saves him and they've come to the realization that not only was there the power dynamic of them meeting when she was 10 and he was 20-25
that being said i totally understand why people love this book and i wish i could love it more because i truly did at some points...but i think perhaps if the ending had just gone a little teeny bit differently (polly saves tom and they can stay friends idc but they DON'T decide to start their relationship from a blank romantic slate) i would have enjoyed a lot more
Content Warnings
Graphic: Adult/minor relationship
d_night's review against another edition
1.0
I rated this a 1 star for several reasons. First, the flashbacks necessary to keep the understanding that we were reflecting on the past and not in the present was lacking a bit. This muddied things a bit and made some of the book hard to follow. Secondly, the ending was half done. It was too existential to understand and though that may have been what she was going for another book or a better leave off would have made this easier (though I know that both those options are impossible now). Third and most importantly (this being why I took off 4 off the 5 stars and even would have given this a 0 if I could have) was that this book can promote a pedophilic like relationship. Polly was only 12 when 17-year-old Seb started a very physical relationship with her. Additionally, Mr. Lynn who had to be in his twenties at least when he met Polly (who was only 10 at the time) rather passionately tried to kiss her when she was 15. Though to be honest I always got an odd feeling from the way Diana Wynne Jones presented the two characters' interactions in the beginning. I just cannot promote a book that would positively shed light on a minor with an adult.
arendaes's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5