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The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu

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just_one_more_paige's review against another edition

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challenging mysterious slow-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

2.0

 
This was a "read out loud together at night (and sometimes listen during road trips)" read for me and my partner. This follows in an illustrious list that included revisiting old favs like His Dark Materials, trying out new things like The Tensorate Series, attempting to see what we may have missed  (we tried The Lightning Thief and learned that Percy Jackson was *not* for us) and experiencing together (we'd read most of it separately) the Grishaverse (to complement the, heartbreakingly cancelled too soon, Netflix adaptation).  In fact, the success of that joint journey inspired us to give The Three-Body Problem a try, since it too was recently adapted by Netflix. 
 
Per Goodreads, this novel is "Set against the backdrop of China's Cultural Revolution, a secret military project sends signals into space to establish contact with aliens. An alien civilization on the brink of destruction captures the signal and plans to invade Earth. Meanwhile, on Earth, different camps start forming, planning to either welcome the superior beings and help them take over a world seen as corrupt, or to fight against the invasion."  
 
Now, this blurb does, in fact, describe what happens in this novel. It does. And yet...it was absolutely not at all what I expected, based on that blurb. Having read the translator's note at the end, it seems that the structural pieces that made this not what I anticipated might be due to different cultural story-telling styles. Which is an adjustment, of course, but fine overall. To me, it felt that the story was told in a very segmented way, with one group/situation/timeline/event introduced and (for the most part) fully developed and told, before jumping to another aspect all together. And while technically in the end everything got explained to some extent, some of the explanations were for interactions/events that had happened so long ago I had forgotten about them or they never felt fully integrated with the rest of the story. Also, this meant that some of the sections that were less interesting to me were a bit of a slog, since I had to fullllllly immerse before being able to leave them behind and immerse in the next part. Anyways, all that to say, nothing wrong with that, just an unfamiliar style and (since there were parts I was less into) I would have preferred them to be a bit more interspersed, developmentally.   
 
Other than that, the biggest thing that made me not love this reading experience was how heavy the science was, in the scifi balance. Like, I tend to prefer my scifi more space opera, with the science in the background, or taken on faith, or just altogether already settled and in a new/not-familiar (i.e. not Earth) setting. I think the thing that most threw me about this sci-fi was how much (for how long) it was based on Earth/IRL. Now, there's very classic scifi that fits this mold., and it's absolutely high quality/legit scifi...it's just not my fav. Similarly, I actually am not a hard sciences person. So, when an intimate understanding of complex (to me, at least) scientific concepts, like multi-dimensions and the way atoms split and radio waves travel, is central to the greater story and events development...I struggle. This felt like a very esoteric level of scifi that I can see why lots of people love, but it's not my vibe.  
 
Character-wise, and this could again be related to story-telling styles coming through in translation, or just the style of translation, but I felt like these characters were all just there... Very few of them were fully dimensional (the exception being who I considered the female MC, Ye Wenjie) and many actually felt more like caricatures than anything else. And the aliens. We eventually got to them. But I don't know...they felt unreal. Which, ok, I get that they technically aren't. But even within the story, their space on the pages and their development felt too distant/unclear to be genuine. And all of it bordered on a weird that was too much for me. 
 
While the details were astounding and impressive, and the greater situation that Cixin created felt legitimate and tangible, there was enough unevenness in the story-telling, and an extreme esoteric-ness to the science, that kept me too far removed, and a bit too bogged down, to become as invested as I would have liked. This is wildly intelligent, creative, and the scope is superb, but it wasn't for me. I respect it, but I personally won't be reading the rest of the trilogy, nor will I be watching the show (I'll let my partner report back on the adaptation and see what he thinks instead). 
 
"Is it possible that the relationship between humanity and evil is similar to the relationship between the ocean and an iceberg floating on its surface? Both the ocean and the iceberg are made of the same material. That the iceberg seems separate is on;y because it is in a different form. In reality, it is but a part of the vast ocean..." 
 
“Theory is the foundation of application. Isn't discovering fundamental laws the biggest contribution to our time? [...] It's easy to make ideological mistakes in theory.” 
 
“In the face of madness, rationality was powerless.” 
 
“We don’t know what extraterrestrial civilization is like, but we know humanity.” 

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lonelylooper's review against another edition

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challenging dark mysterious medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? No
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.0


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diazona's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging mysterious reflective tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? No
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? No
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

3.75

When I first started considering this review, I thought how ironic it'd be if the book wound up getting three stars, in light of the obvious pun. Fortunately it turned out to be better than that... but actually not by that much. While I definitely liked the book, it fell far short of the expectations I'd built up based on how often it had been recommended to me and how much recognition it's gotten.

First things first though: the plot of The Three-Body Problem is legitimately really interesting. It takes a while to develop, but when it does, the book's take on first contact with an alien society, and humanity's reaction to it, is pretty unique among stories I've read. Kind of bleak in a way, but the uniqueness makes it fascinating regardless. (If I read another book that handles first contact the same way I will be much less into it.) And I like the way the Three-Body game was originally introduced in the story as a mysterious element that eventually ties in to the alien contact plot line in a way that you can kind of see coming but is still a powerful experience when it finally gets revealed.

On the other hand, the way that this fantastic story is presented leaves a lot to be desired, in my opinion. For instance, there's a whole introductory section that I really don't understand the purpose of. I guess it provides some interesting background information about the characters, and maybe tying the story back to the Chinese cultural revolution is more meaningful for readers whose cultural background focuses on those events, but it doesn't really do anything for me. A lot of it could have been skipped over without taking anything important away from the story. Plus, large parts of the book read like dry technical reports - and I'm not even talking about the parts that are dry technical reports, I mean there are long stretches of dialogue that feel like the characters are just reciting an amateurish script to convey information to the reader.

Even when the characters are acting like characters, they're not always particularly distinguishable or memorable. This is something I've noticed across a bunch of the books I've been reading recently: the best ones seem to have characters whose speech patterns and behavior are distinctive and blatantly obvious. It's as if the characters' personalities jump off the page and embed themselves in your brain. In this story, they do not. I kept losing track of who was talking, except for Da Shi because he's rude and swears a lot, which is distinctive enough I guess but not exactly the most interesting character profile.

And last but not least: the science. We have to talk about the science. It was clear that Liu Cixin has experience in this area (or, I guess, could have been working extremely closely with someone who does): the book reflects knowledge of physics down to a pretty deep level of technical detail, as well as of the process of academic research. But many of the passages that reference science felt kind of... insincere, maybe even mocking. It's as if - not that I think this is what really happened, but this is how it felt - as if I was reading text written by someone who had studied science in great depth without actually believing in it, someone who could never quite shake the belief that science is a bunch of complex arbitrary rituals, and you could wake up tomorrow to find that those rituals are different and that would just be that, no big deal, enjoy your new reality from this point forward. As someone who appreciates realism in the science of a story, this just felt a bit too outlandish.

All of this adds up to a story that I liked, but not as much as I was hoping to. It was a bit of a struggle, honestly. I'll still probably read the sequels, though, since I'm kind of interested to see what happens to the people of this alternate-universe Earth, but I expect to have to build up my mental energy before I keep going down that path.

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maddie_can_read's review against another edition

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adventurous dark emotional mysterious sad tense slow-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.75

I usually prefer faster pace books but I really enjoyed this one.

I really enjoyed
  • writing style
  • the tension and mystery

And learning more about 
  • China's cultural revolution
  • Science concepts - a lot were explained well enough that I could understand without a science background

I never felt bored listening to this but some of the science parts went completely over my head and I didn't want to look them up out of fear of spoilers so I felt a bit lost during some of the super science heavy parts. 

Spoilers:

Fyi it ends on a cliffhanger.

I love books that make me say wtf lol dried out people rolls?? What the fuck! Cutting a boat in half with a nano string?? Destroying microcosm societies??love it, absolutely loved the part at the end with the bug metaphor- The Bugs have never truly been defeated

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syinhui's review against another edition

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challenging dark mysterious reflective sad slow-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? N/A
  • Strong character development? No
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? N/A
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

3.0

I really want to give this a 4-star rating at least and pretend I thoroughly enjoyed it. I even had high hopes that this would become one of my favorite sci-fi series ever but after some time of reflection, as I went over my notes that seems to me now more like a frustrated rant than a sensible critique, made me realize I do have a lot of issues with this book. 

The premise is great, it’s ambitious and staged on a scale that goes beyond imagination. I also know everything here would be in a much bleaker perspective, an existential dread-inducing view of the world and humanity. I’ve been warned and was looking forward to reading it. I think most of my complaints lie in the poor writing and the philosophies and ideologies presented by the characters.  The extremists in this book deem humanity as ‘terminally ill’ and ‘incapable of solving its own problems’, thus the need for a higher force ‘to intervene’. It tells that a lot of people harbor a deep hatred for their own kind but somehow does not show the condition of the present world they’re living in or provide any insight/development as to how people got to that point. (What could’ve possessed them to hold such extreme ideals? Putting China aside, what sort of horrible things happened to the rest of the world? Is the current Earth such a hopeless place??) The lack of present societal perspective from any of the characters makes the rebellion more like a joke – a misanthrope’s wildest fantasies suddenly coming true, well I guess that’s the idea. 

My honest opinion on ETO is that they’re mad, naïve, and full of crap. Their slogan is basically, “F*** humanity, long live the aliens! Why? I don’t know but I know humans.” It’s not lost on me the irony that ETO is mostly composed of intellectuals, wealthy and powerful individuals – the same people who should know better and have much to lose. I could only blame the writing for this and not the translation.  Then there’s this part where the narrative was copy-pasted from an earlier chapter. I know it’s supposed to mirror Ye’s experience but for it to be completely similar is just pure lazy writing. Most of the dialogues are dry and clunky, take for example Wei Cheng’s and Mike Evans’ lengthy monologues. 

Liu’s main weakness is in his characterization, evidently, his MCs are flat and unlikeable. One is too timid and bland, the other a cold-blooded sociopath. The characters are difficult to connect with because they exist solely to advance the plot. The others are horrible for the sake of being horrible. The crusty, streetwise cop happens to be the only one who got brains. 

On a more positive note, and despite my complaints, I think it’s fair to say that this is still a decent read. If you can suspend disbelief throughout the entire book, then you’d probably find it more enjoyable. The sci-fi is inspired by real science. There really are some mind-boggling concepts and authentic ideas here. The bizarre in-game scenarios although dull and dragging at times are also wonderfully poignant. The introduction to the Cultural Revolution is the most solid part of the book - a rather strong opening to a series of this scope. Disappointingly, the rest fell short on me afterward. It could’ve kept the momentum instead of swinging back and forth between the present and past and using abrupt resolutions to important plot lines within chunks of exposition. It simply broke the spell for me, making the reveals less impactful. 

I am very hesitant and scared to start the next book. I’ve heard good and bad things about it. I might read it for the interesting concepts and wild sci-fi stuff but then I might not for the poor writing and bad representation of women, also whatever that cringey waifu thing going on there has a high potential of souring my reading experience. In that case, I might as well dehydrate for now and come back alive once the adaptation hits Netflix! 

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mdiffer's review against another edition

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challenging dark mysterious reflective medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.5

Old-school, hard sci-fi. 
Might not be everybody's cup of tea.
Expect a little more character development than Asimov or Clark... but not much. Characters are mostly one-dimensional. And that's ok, because this a story about big ideas. It's plot-heavy and a little dry at times with technical details. But I enjoyed the book and finished it quickly. For me, this was a page-turner.  
I enjoyed the mystery plot and premise. It was nice to read something from a non-western perspective and history.
Characters navigating life in China during and after the Cultural Revolution were especially fascinating and heartbreaking. The end was abrupt and posed a subtle yet terrifying cosmic horror premise. What if a hostile invader could stunt our scientific progress?
 

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uranaishi's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional mysterious reflective tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

4.0


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zone_a3's review against another edition

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challenging dark reflective tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? No
  • Loveable characters? N/A
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

4.0


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beebidon's review against another edition

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challenging informative sad slow-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? No
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

3.25

I very nearly marked this book DNF many times. In truth, it took me most of 2022 to trudge through it.

I want to call it interesting, but in truth only parts of it were. It had the potential to be interesting. It had interesting sections. The concept is certainly interesting. 

I’ve seen people say their complaint was that the characters were too static or bland, and people who adored the book rebutting those complaints with “that’s just the translation” or “that’s just the culture of how they tell stories” and perhaps that’s true. I don’t think the characters were the issue with the story, however. They just certainly didn’t add to it or try to save the experience.

My main complaint is with pacing; the exciting stuff was crammed into the last 100 pages or so, and not in an exciting denouement way so much as “great, we got through 250 pages of backstory, now I guess the actual story happens.” I found myself frustrated even as I was engrossed at that point, because I could see the small sliver of pages remaining, stressing me out as if I needed to tell the author “yes, yes, that’s nice and all but HURRY, we are running out of time!”

In the end, we didn’t even get answers to all the questions, and not in a fun cliffhanger or philosophical statement deliberate sort of way. There WAS a cliffhanger of sorts, but I do not feel like my lingering questions were intentional there. I more fell like the author had a really cool concept he wanted to pitch and didn’t know what to do with it so he fluffed hundreds of pages of history and scientific geeking out, dropped a novella or even short story’s worth of plot, then closed the book.

Finally, I’llsay before my spoiler talk that there are different levels of sci-fi you can find, from low/soft to high/hard, where high/hard is heavily based in science, or heavily based in fantastical, “out there” concepts. 3BP drags you through DENSE quantum, theoretical, astro, micro, macro, and every other kind of -physics, but in a way that walking away I’m not sure how much I can say “well, at least I learned a lot from it” because I’m not sure how much was true or embellished to lay the groundwork for the plot points. I don’t think Cixin (or Ken as translator) did a bad job of breaking down the concepts to understand (aided by the scientists often explaining the concepts to non-scientists, or at least scientists not in that specific field). But I did struggle a lot with dense passages where I couldn’t be sure if this was a concept I would need to know later or if it was a character waxing on for their own interest. I was often torn between “do I skip this passage or do I just put the book down for now” as my eyes glazed over. And every time I put the book down, I felt no obligation to pick it back up besides a faint curiosity and a sunken cost fallacy of “well, I’m already this far, maybe eventually it will get better.”


There were some cool concepts that Cixin was trying to get at that I feel were left half-presented or dropped n on the table with an “is this anything?” look, like if we wanted to feel some way about the content, that was up to us to go through the mental work on. Was it ethical to keep “less educated” people in the dark? Did Cixin mean to present a view that was so anti-religion? (Was he trying to say anything about religion at all?)

I feel the strongest points made (and the reason I gave the book as relatively high a rating as I did) were the parallels drawn between Trisolaran and Earth views about who deserves to thrive, the struggle for survival and at what point is it ethical (or not) to give up your own survival for another society that may “deserve” it more. This is the question I think I’ll ponder on into this new year, and Cixin’s strongest win.

I was also saddened by how such a cool concept as this alien society was still so clearly limited by the author’s very traditional views on things. A planet as advanced as this, with such unique bodies and minds, but there’s only 2 genders/sexes, and they’re heterosexual and monogamous? With every important person in the world (three body game version or “real” At the end) a man? Someone will roll their eyes at me on this for being “too woke” but I’m just not sure a cishet patriarchy needs to be reflected in the aliens too. Alas.

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adventurous dark funny informative mysterious medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? Yes
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.25

On the surface it seemed not to be the most philosophical sci-fi/speculative fiction, but as I progressed through the book I was delightfully proven wrong. There is a thoughtful and compelling philosophical story underpinning the actions of the characters, ones variously coloured by eco-fascism, nihilism, hope, and clever metaphor.

Much of this book read quite cheesy to me, though that improved at about 50% of the way through. Very glad I picjed this book back uo.

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