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Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin

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lmfry's review against another edition

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emotional hopeful sad medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.0

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challenging dark emotional reflective medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.25

I have to say that I did really enjoy this book! I think my biggest frustration was the miscommunication the two MCs had throughout lol but I really liked the concept and the themes that were explored. The pace picked up so fast in the last 100 or so pages which idk how I feel about that and I felt kinda weird about that because idk what it was driving towards? But I thought the characters were really interesting, especially how they developed together and separately throughout their lives. Oh and the student/professor relationship that like never really went away? Weird. Super weird. But yeah I had a good time reading it overall and there were some really great quotes.

I think my favorite aspect that I don't think I've seen anyone talk about is how Sam is absolutely aro/ace and how much other characters struggle with understanding that. Like Sadie just could not get why Sam never made a move and why he couldn't say I love you. But the friendship love once he did say it to her was really sweet. Honestly Marx was probably my favorite character, he was just such a gem and a sweetie 🥹

I also love a book that ties everything together from the beginning into the end, I really do appreciate that. It makes the story feel complete even if these characters' lives aren't complete.

Quotes:

Unless they were unreliable or clearly established as lunatics or scoundrels, characters in novels, movies, and games were meant to be taken at face value--the totality of what they did or what they said. But people--the ordinary, the decent and basically honest-- couldn't get through the day without that one indispensable bit of programming that allowed you to say one thing and mean, feel, or even do, another. (4)
Sam could be ignored, but the childish shared reference could not be. It was an invitation to play. (34)
What, after all, is a video game's subtextual preoccupation if not the erasure of mortality? (65)
There is a time for any fledgling artist where one's taste exceeds one's abilities. The only way to get through this period is to make things anyway. (68)
"It isn't a sadness, but a joy, that we don't do the same things for the lengths of our lives." (227)
It occurred to Sadie: she had thought after Ichigo that she would never fail again. She had thought she arrived. But life was always arriving. There was always another gate to pass through. (228)
Anyone who truly looked at Tuesday could not have possibly seen a coyote. But the woman had not truly looked, and the injustice of this hit him. Why was it acceptable for apparently well-meaning people to see the world in such a general way? (245)
"The actual world is the random garbage fire it always is. There's not a goddamn thing I can do about the actual world's code." (331)
"And what is love, in the end? Except the irrational desire to put evolutionary competitiveness aside in order to ease someone else's journey through life?" (355)
For most of his life, Sam had found it difficult to say I love you. It was superior, he believed, to show love to those one loved. But now, it seemed like one of the easiest things in the world Sam could do. Why wouldn't you tell someone you loved them? Once you loved someone, you repeated it until they were tired of hearing it. You said it until it ceased to have meaning. Why not? Of course, you goddamn did. (384)

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nopebook's review against another edition

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emotional inspiring reflective sad medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

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seforana's review against another edition

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challenging emotional hopeful inspiring sad medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

2.0

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andrearutz98's review against another edition

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Its a soft dnf for now. This book is just so heavy and slow that i have to break it up with another book. Maybe I'll come back and finish after reading something lighter.

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adventurous challenging dark emotional mysterious sad tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.5

Dov is the worst. I am angry that there were no consequences for him from anyone.

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challenging emotional reflective sad slow-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

I loved the author’s writing style! The characters were interesting and their character arcs were beautifully written.

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medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

2.0

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bethantg's review against another edition

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adventurous inspiring medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

3.0

I have such massively mixed feelings about this book. I really enjoyed the unique premise and the focus on video games, the discussion of disability/chronic illness and, for the most part, the writing. I say "for the most part" because I really did like the writing, the only thing that grated on me was the repetitive "x said, x said, x said," that sometimes occurred, but I should say that I listened to this as an audiobook, so maybe it's not as jarring when you're reading. Other than that, I do have some major gripes.

Firstly, I haven't read many reviews of this book so I don't know whether this is just a me thing or not, but the "women written by men" vibe was so strong that I was genuinely surprised when I double checked the author. Sam is pretty consistently a character that you can empathise with, and Sadie just is not. Her backstory is so poorly fleshed out and she has literally no arc. She literally just goes through a chain of boyfriends and gets depressed — worse because her depression is almost entirely witnessed from the outside, either just as absence or as her being rude to Sam. In contrast, Sam is almost always kind, is presented as just as overall skilled as Sadie, and is actually given his own perspective and thought processes, where Sadie is massively lacking. Trying to think of a part in the book where Sadie's thought process behind her behaviour is detailed, I can only think of very early on in the book when she wants to appear cool and calm during her first breakup. Which is crazy, she's literally meant to be one of the main characters. The other female characters are worse, which is semi-excusable on account of them being side characters, but also not at all considering how much comparable insight we get into male side characters like Ant, Dong Hyun, and even Marx (who obviously blurs the main/side character roles). Like Ant talks about very difficult, complex feelings

surrounding his guilt following the shooting and even just his mention of his complicated feelings about Simon

and then there's Zoe. Zoe — who should be given more attention than Ant, given that she's Marx's girlfriend and supposedly Sadie's best friend (another issue) – is presented as a musical genius (who rarely talks about music) who is regularly nude. Just as much time is spent on that latter part as the first.

She honestly only seems to exist as a reason for Marx and Sadie to not be together for a bit, to get the characters to move to California, and then to serve as a catalyst for Marx and Sadie to get together (which Sadie expresses no inkling of any mixed feelings about entering a relationship with the ex-boyfriend of the girl who was supposedly her best friend. Probably because they don't have an actually friendship, the author just says via Sadie that they're best friends, because that works I guess).

Lola? Immediately irrelevant. The only relationships that are actually given attention are those involving men. Sadie and Sam, Sadie and Marx, Sadie and Dov. Sadie and Zoe? One or two scenes about miscellaneous activities together with no emotional depth. Sadie's roommate before Ichigo? Not even sure she gets a name. Sadie's grandma? Vaguely prominent at the start of the book, then just occasionally mentioned. Sadie's sister who she is originally introduced as being incredibly attached to? Forgotten for the majority of the book until she's vaguely mentioned at the end.

So it's a book mainly dominated by men's thoughts and feelings to the neglect of women's, which is cool for a book that wants to deal with sexism. As a result, Sam and Sadie's relationship, supposed to be this great portrayal of friendship persevering through age and trauma, just seems like Sadie causing problems and Sam being nice to her because ultimately he has romantic feelings for her. Made worse because even right at the end of the book,

Sam asks why him and Sadie never pursued a relationship and once again it is Sadie who shuts him down, and Sam doesn't actually explicitly accept this, so it comes off like he still has feelings for her, which ruins the whole narrative that was given by Sadie and at other points in the book of "this is such a special relationship that it goes beyond romantic."

In fact, the whole way through Sam expresses wanting a relationship, but it is people around Sam who prevent him having one, like Dong Hyun telling him he doesn't need that kind of relationship when he's literally just said he wants one. It's just strange, and gives the feeling of an incomplete explanation. If he had never had a relationship, that would have been fine, but it's the fact that he wants one but for multiple reasons is told no, which feels like the author telling him no more than anything. I can't help thinking this is also worse because Sam is the only character with a physical disability, and of course it's kind of a trope that physically disabled characters in media are presented as undesirable or asexual. And this isn't negated by the (once again unresolved) discussion of Sam's feelings around disability. He talks about not feeling disabled, about just having "a thing with his foot" and even about the social construction of disability, which as I mentioned at the start was something I really liked hearing discussed in a first-hand account. Unfortunately once again, right at the end Sam mentions feeling undesirable as a result of being disabled, and this is just brushed off. Disability, like sexism, toxic relationships and depression, is a topic that's picked up, a few interesting lines are said about it, and then it's dropped.

These incomplete discussions and Sadie's often absent perspective are a major part of what makes the characters feel incomplete — and therefore makes the story feel unsatisfying — to me. But what exacerbates that many times over is when the author just pops in an anachronistic rant. Yes it's the cultural appropriation thing. It happened pretty early on in the book but it was just stupid. Sam, who has mixed American, Jewish and Korean heritage, and Sadie, who is a Jewish American, make a game that is heavily inspired by Japanese culture and has Japanese characters. When questioned about cultural appropriation, Sam goes on quite a rant that makes interesting points, but has several issues with it — mainly the fact that it's not Sam saying it, it's the author. Marx, whose father is Japanese and who grew up in Japan, produced the game and had some pretty significant contributions to it (like the Japanese language component of Ichigo's name), and he is not mentioned. This is because Marx exists in the story, not the real world, and this is a real world argument being shoehorned into the story. It's also entirely unchallenged, and dropped right there. Also, in the final conversation of the book, Sadie says that had they made Ichigo then, almost twenty years after they did, they would have worried about cultural appropriation and not have made it. So Sam being questioned about this at the time is very clearly an anachronism, because it's even referenced here by Sadie that this wasn't a concern in that era (sometime in the 90s I believe). It's literally an admission that this just exists as a moment for the author to say their piece. Of course, she absolutely has the right to say this piece, but the in a work of fiction where it makes no sense for the time, not really. As I say, interesting points are made — Sam talks about how he doesn't feel connected to a single part of his heritage, but that he wouldn't have been called out for making a game inspired by it. But it's just a throwaway line that gets no development into a proper discussion whatsoever, and that's massively disappointing.

I would also say that this reads less like a story about friends and more about a story about two people relentlessly forced together by circumstance.

From the moment that Sadie has that whole revelation with the Dead Sea disk that changes her entire view of Sam, they don't seem like friends at all. And the bit where it's implied that she would've preferred him to die rather than Marx, and the line that her apology "lacked the conviction of the attack" (great line btw)? Sam pack it up buddy she does not care about you.

Maybe these complaints I have are meant to contribute to the realism of the story. People don't always get satisfying character development or have deep, multifacted conversations about complex topics. People die on days like any other, and friendships are complicated. However, just as the characters discuss the perfected worlds of video games, where nonsensical things don't happen, so is the perfected nature of books, where characters and themes don't just get picked up and put down at whim.

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challenging dark emotional sad fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

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