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If This Gets Out by Sophie Gonzales, Cale Dietrich

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fluffily's review against another edition

challenging emotional hopeful inspiring lighthearted medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.0

asian male who isn't quiet and sweet and has a personality?!!!?!?! yay for rep!
cute gay book that explores the toxic side of the entertainment industry, friendships, and sexuality. i enjoyed it.

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memoirsofabooklover's review against another edition

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hopeful inspiring medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

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taleofabibliophile's review against another edition

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emotional hopeful reflective medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.25

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just_one_more_paige's review against another edition

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emotional hopeful lighthearted reflective tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? No

4.0

Ahhhh the dangers of working in a library. I was checking in books a few weeks ago and this was one of them...and instead of carting it to get it back on the shelves, I ended up taking it home with me. Whoops.

If This Gets Out follows members of the *extremely* popular boy band Saturday as they head out for the European leg of their tour. The four boys (Zach, Ruben, Angel and Jon) met at a summer music camp and, after an impressive "end of camp" performance, were picked up as a group by an agency. Things have mostly been going really well, but during this tour, the cracks start to show. Zach and Ruben begin a relationship, Angel appears to be having a worsening substance misuse issue, and the connections amongst the boys are starting to show the strain of a constantly "on" schedule and a lack of (emotional, health) support from their management team. Will their bonds, and their fan-base, prove strong enough to survive coming out, getting help, and standing up for themselves?

This novel is told in alternating POVs, that of Zach and Ruben. As this was a co-written novel it seems like each of the authors was the primary "writer" for one of those two narrators. It was really interesting because I feel like that is such a cool co-writing concept, and addresses the fact that sometimes co-written works can be a bit jumpy. And yet in this case, I almost felt like the two voices were too similar - Gonzalez and Dietrich equally captured the teen boy voice so well, and in the same vibe, that I sometimes had to check back to see whose section I was reading because they blended together. I don't necessarily think that was a bad thing, as there was great literary continuity, but I think it would have been nice to get a bit more distinction, since they (I assume) have different writing styles/voices IRL. Regardless, this was well-written, keeping me engaged and interested with solid character and plot development in parallel. And though there was a bit of drag towards the beginning, between Zach and Ruden's first kiss and their follow-up discussions and decisions related to it, I overall felt like the pacing was good too.

As far as the story itself, I have literally no frame of reference for this lifestyle, the press/image monitoring and true-self suppressing and every-minute-scheduled day-to-day realities (like how much does it suck to be traveling all over Europe but have no time to sightsee?!), etc. So, the accuracy/authenticity of it could be way off, but I bought into it - it felt legit to me, as a reader. On that point, the management company/team was like, the worst, like in a very real way. I mean, there was also quite a bit of teen angst and boundary pushing and other "normal" YA stuff that was real, but in a lower key and recognizable parts-of-growing-up way. And Zach's “what do these feelings mean” feelings, as far as trying to understand his own sexuality, are complex, but really well written. However, the controlling of the boys by their team, forcing Zach and Ruben to stay closeted (and gaslighting them into believing it was for their own good) and the total ignoring of Angel's clearly growing issues with substances, plus their overall way the situation chafed at the previously strong bonds amongst them, was so angering to read. Like, if any of that sounds triggering, please be careful with this read, becasue it was much more intense in that way than I'd expected. I was anticipating this being mostly fluff, as a reading experience (and looking forward to that), and it ended up being a lot more intense. I was super anxious for a solid chunk of the book, thinking about how claustrophobic the boys' lives were getting, and anticipating how badly things would/could go when it "all got out."

I mean, there were definitely breaks in the tension where we got some wonderful butterflies-in-my-stomach vibes, the flutters during their first kiss were real, and there were a few other really adorable scenes as well, plus a few steamier ones (though all mostly "fade to black" when it came down to the really good stuff). And I really appreciated that once Ruben and Zach legit got together, they were totally together, swoonily-so (specifically, when they finally talk/share/figure everything out, it was *all* the butterflies), and then the stress transitioned to coming out/being overly managed. I am very glad we didn't have to deal with both that and on-again-off-again teen relationship vibes. That would have been entirely too much anxiety and not enough romance, for me. Thankfully, that wasn't the case. And though I think that the ending was perhaps slightly overly optimistic, considering everything, I did love the positivity I felt when I finished. The way the band supported each other through everything, no questions asked, was wonderful. I mean they each lashed out a bit when they were dealing with their own stuff, but when it came to being there for the others...they always were. That male friendship representation was super healthy and wonderful and I loved it. And was particularly important in the face of how much was stacked against them both publicly and privately (like, let's take a moment to all hate on Ruden's mom please - she was the worst.) There was also a very cool leveraging of the power of fandoms and social media to make the ending happen the way it did, which did feel super accurate and leant some credence to that too-optimistic situation. Plus, it was sweet, which was what my heart wanted, especially after the unexpectedly dramatic journey I took to get there.

Well, this was a deeper and more emotionally complex read that I had been anticipating (talk about the "darker side" of fame, for real), with a sometimes suffocating feel. But the messages were important, regarding mental health and freedom of expression and parental expectation/criticism in the music industry, as we have seen in many real life situations over the past few years, and therefore very much necessary to recognize (and humanize). And in the end, the Zach-Ruben romance, all four bandmate's support/friendships, and the slightly fluffy ending did deliver the uplifting feels I was looking for. I really enjoyed my time reading this.

“The thing about your dreams coming true is that, for a gold-spun moment, you catch a glimpse of what life could be like. Then when you lose it, and you crash back to reality, it's from such a great height, all you can do is lie there, winded and bruised…”

“So, yeah, a part of me wants to protect him from the realities of what it means to be queer, and how it changes things in a million subtle ways. How it always leaves you a little uncertain if things are fair, or if there's a tiny shred of hate underlying it all. How, much of the time, you can't even call it out without turning people against you and calling you overly sensitive, because it can be so insidious, you're the only one who notices it for what it is.”

“At the crux of it, everyone wants the world to see them as they are. The truth isn't the problem. The problem is that the world doesn't always make the truth safe for us to share.”

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emotional funny hopeful inspiring lighthearted medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

5.0

This book was so worth the hype it has got attached to it. I mean why did I take so long to start this book is beyond me. It got me out of a slump. Rubens relationship with his mother us so relatable to me. Zachs need to please everyone is something I can relate to and his journey with his sexuality is something I love reading about in queer books. Overall I will always recommend this book to every one I meet.

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claudiamacpherson's review

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emotional funny hopeful medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.5

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sisters26's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional hopeful reflective sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.5

“Everyone wants the world to see them as they are. The truth isn’t the problem. The problem is that the world doesn’t always make the truth safe for us to share.”

I would be lying if I said I didn't went into this book thinking about a famous ship from a famous boys-band. But it wasn't, it was an amazing and well written.

This book just beautifully portraits a love story between two boys in a band, with the highs and the lows they have to face (together and apart).💜

This book deals with important topics such as the discovery of your sexuality (with very relatable characters), but also more heavy topics such as dealing with addiction, a toxic family member, homophobia and dealing with an abusive management. It had really heartbreaking passages but also really hopeful ones. ✨

I also loved that it was dual pov, you can really the two boys falling in love in their own different way.
good queer rep. 🏳️‍🌈

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emotional funny hopeful inspiring lighthearted sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.25

I did enjoy this book but I think I’ll start with my cons.

Not to fat shame a book but this was mentally phattt. And, if I may, bloated… very, very bloated. This is just my personal opinion and is shared by some others on here and the GoodReads but I just couldn’t - like literally could not for the life of me - read a lot of this in one go (well except for the last 60ish pages that is). It’s written well and the characters are loveable (I’ll get to that in a sec) but I honestly felt it was a struggle to read this in parts. There is quite a lot of repetitive scenarios, themes, conversations and dilemmas. I feel these could definitely have been reduced. Also the acceptance of toxic relationships (professional and personal) is just hard to read at some points and because it basically continues throughout you want to get inside the pages and just slap people you get me?? No?? Okay.

Now comes the good bits. These characters are very very lovable and as the book goes on, they certainly develop and become the true authentic people that they are. This development is hard but ultimately beautiful to read. The main characters are Ruben who’s gay and continually forced into the closet by the music management industry, Zach who discovers his bisexuality (and subsequent relationship with Ruben) and a massive people pleaser. These two make up our protagonist with the chapters alternating between their POVs which I feel is done well but at points it is a bit difficult to decipher who’s talking as there is sometimes maybe not enough dissimilarity. They make up 1/2 of the boyband at the centre of this novel - the other 2 being Jon who is the son of their manager and has to deal with micromanagement from his father and other people’s views being the ‘rich son of a powerful man’ and their subsequent dislike/using of him at points and Angel who is shown to deal with drug and alcohol addiction problems and the controlling aspects of the music industry who went as far to take his real name from him (Reece). All 4 do definitely develop over time and this is great to see as well as their relationships with each other - their (I hate the word but I don’t know what else to say) banter with one another is really great with funny, witty and cute remarks and their group hugs and affectionate actions are really lovely and sweet. Zach coming to terms with his sexuality is told really well, very relatable (well all the characters are relatable to be honest) and you for sure understand his thoughts and feelings. Additionally, Ruben’s storyline with his overbearing and toxic as so may same mother is actually rather difficult to read about but you definitely sympathise with him. All in all the queer elements were done really well with mentions to PReP and exploration of gay sex activities in a sensitive way, perfect for the target YA audience. They’re all also written very much like actual human beings with nuances, flaws, individual personalities and as a whole I can really see Saturday being a real boyband - sometimes even forgetting they weren’t. Great.

The plot is relatively fast paced but as I mentioned before is quite bloated and repetitive so whilst it’s easy to follow, for me it was a struggle to read a lot in one go. Not a spoiler but the last 60ish pages were by far my favourite part, I just wish some of the prior elements were shortened and and this part expanded on. Or even following on more from the ending would be better - I guess i don’t really like the ‘mistreat’ trope that much as quite a lot fitted into this.

Final note but I personally would love to see this made into a film or tv show. The plot would be very much liked by a lot of people so Yhh. Just a thought if anyone’s reading haha. It’s also quite dialogue heavy and the characters are super relatable, different and loveable (albeit problematic). Also seeing the topics in the book portrayed to a larger audience would be great, like: substance abuse, the music industry, discovering one’s sexuality, being queer in the public eye, forced closetness (made that up but you get me), positive coming out stories, toxic family relationships, queer sex and many more.

P.S. many people draw connections to fan fictions, specifically about One Direction, and whilst I can see that in some points without any experience with fan fiction I don’t personally see any relativity to them or anyone in particular. But then again I have no experience so maybe there is.

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adventurous challenging emotional reflective tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

5.0

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emotional hopeful medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

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