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Темный лес

Cixin Liu

4.26 AVERAGE


Much better than The Three Body Problem. It dragged at times waiting for a thing to happen that you knew was going to happen since the beginning, but the story redeemed itself with the ending.

J'aurais voulu mettre cinq étoiles tellement j'ai aimé l'histoire et ses enjeux ! Mais (comme toujours ?) côté femmes c'est vraiment compliqué... j'ai eu des moments de profonde exaspération entre des chapitres brillants. Difficile en tant que lectrice de se projeter et de ne pas se sentir flouée : les délires sur la femme parfaite c'est juste pénible (en particulier quand cette dernière n'est même pas actrice de sa propre trajectoire). La description des femmes dans le livre reprend la ligne déjà vue au tome précédent, celle des « yeux purs ». Je vais finir par demander à Google s'il s'agit d'une marotte de l'auteur ou si c'est une expression courante en chinois pour parler de la beauté d'une femme...

Pour le reste, ce deuxième tome est tout à fait à la hauteur du premier, quoique nettement plus ancré dans les avancées technologiques. On s'accroche aux espoirs et aux dérives de l'humanité dont on ne parvient décidément pas à prévoir l'évolution. À nouveau, les personnages et leurs trajectoires personnelles ne sont pas tant le propos du livre (même si notre dernier Colmateur, un homme presque ordinaire, pourrait être considéré comme le protagoniste du tome), mais plutôt les réactions collectives et les croyances des uns et des autres dans cette longue lutte pour tenter d'influencer le cours des événements. J'ai aussi apprécié l'effort de l'auteur de s'intéresser aux sciences humaines et de faire de sa sociologie cosmique (même si l'auteur n'a pas la même ambition il me semble pour ces axiomes que pour sa restitution de l'astrophysique, par exemple) un élément central de l'histoire. La question de l'empathie et de la rencontre de l'altérité reste ouverte : j'ai hâte de lire le troisième tome.

Another masterwork by Liu Cixin. How do you fend off an enemy who is stronger than you and wants what's yours? You'll have to read to find out.
adventurous hopeful mysterious medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven: Plot
Strong character development: Yes
Loveable characters: Yes
Diverse cast of characters: No
Flaws of characters a main focus: Yes
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Plot or Character Driven: Plot
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Plot or Character Driven: Plot
Strong character development: Yes
Loveable characters: Yes
Diverse cast of characters: Complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus: Complicated
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challenging dark slow-paced
Plot or Character Driven: Plot
Strong character development: Complicated
Loveable characters: No
Diverse cast of characters: No
Flaws of characters a main focus: Yes

Oof.
This book gummed up my book reading for over a month and I almost quit reading it multiple times. I will say the end got A LOT better - it took me almost a month to read the first 2/3 but I finished the last 1/3 in a few days.

I did really enjoy Three Body Problem although part of that enjoyment was the backdrop of the Cultural Revolution for the start of the story and the foregrounding of the only compelling character in the series so far - Ye Wenjie

There are no interesting characters in this sequel. Not a one. There are still lots of interesting imaginative and compelling ideas concepts and themes at play - but there are also equally a lot of needless excursions into different concepts and plans that fill tons of pages and add up to nothing.

Basically nothing really happens until the last two hundred pages or so. Instead of things happening you get “people” theorizing and endlessly discussing what might happen, how it might happen, what they should do about it happening and categorizations of what different people think about possibilities of it happening. (I put “people” in quotes because every character is basically just a cipher for a point of view or idea. )

Also there is a huge subplot about a character creating and falling in love with an imaginary fantasy woman (who is devoid of independent personality and exists only to bring him joy) - bad enough. But then they find a REAL But then they find a REAL PERSON who is just as pathetic a half assed misogynist creation who exists only to love and inspire the male character.

Also everything in this series is set up to be about a race for development of technology yet somehow hibernation technology is fully achieved and possible and is a mature tech I guess discovered off “camera”?

I didn’t love this book if you couldn’t tell. Undecided what to do about book 3 now that I’m two books in. Might just read a summary.

Fun sci-fi elements. Some cool things I haven't seen in sci-fi before. Enjoyed the mix of sci-fi, philosophy, and logical thought experiments.

Ironically, the most outlandish thing to me wasn't the sci-fi, it was the relationships (looking at you, Luo Ji). I probably would've given this 4 stars, but the character relationships and interactions were so stilted I struggled connecting with anyone in the story.