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Aristotle and Dante Dive Into the Waters of the World by Benjamin Alire Sáenz
386 reviews
finnsnotfinished's review against another edition
dark
emotional
hopeful
reflective
sad
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia and Transphobia
Moderate: Death and Death of parent
Minor: Deadnaming
ccee's review against another edition
emotional
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.5
Off-kilter sequel to one of The YA Books Ever. Nothing really happened, Ari and Dante’s relationship did not have any further development. Random introduction of characters, ensemble cast did not lend itself well to this world.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia, Transphobia, and Death of parent
Moderate: Racism and Violence
lilshelly's review against another edition
dark
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Well, I finished. I might return with a more full review at a later date, but these are my broken thoughts post-read.
There's so much in this book. So many stories and so much love and so many people to discover. I will say that I like the first book alot more. That isn't to say this one is bad -- but I do feel there was alot that could have been done. The pacing was very quick, which I'm not always a fan of. And some events that happened felt very sudden and disconnected. Some scenes that we anticipated and were done in a few pages and never brought up again. It felt very much like the author envisioned a ton of important plot points and forgot how to link them together. 3/4 of the book could have been cut out because of this.
Also, many editorial errors that left me confused. (At one point, we see Aristotle Quintana which made me reread for several minutes trying to figure out what that meant before deciding it was a clerical error.)
And everyone spoke in eloquent quotes, CONSTANTLY, which takes me out of the realistic aspects of the narrative. People are not profound in every conversation they ever have. It was honestly exhausting. They spoke like the sole purpose was for us to quote them on pinterest boards and photo captions.
I had trouble figuring out who was speaking half the time and how we were meant to understand the tone. So. Much. Dialogue. And so. Much. Profundity. It honestly didn't feel like a story about high schoolers anymore. High schoolers do not speak this way every second of every day to every question they are asked.
And everyone is always crying and always kissing Ari on the cheek. What's up with that? The only dialogue descriptors we get are "tears, crying, sobbing."
The whole book was setting up Legs to die. We had countless notes of her not being able to run anymore. She couldn't jump on the bed. And it had me so confused because, didn't Ari adopt her as a puppy like a year ago, if that? Dogs don't age that quickly. It left me confused on if I remembered her age correctly. It felt super strange and inconsistent, and then she didn't die. No, Ari's dad did, shortly after the two had a bonding trip. He died over the span of a few paragraphs from a heart attack. No prior discussions of declining health or anything. And considering this tragedy was alluded to in the book summary, it's odd that it took until like page 400 for it to happen. It was meant to be a pivotal point and it only impacts the last 100ish pages.
Also, Dante is basically a background character in this book. And it really feels like Ari doesn't like him much? He hardly says it or really shows it. I expected Ari to give Dante his journal or something at some point considering Ari writing in the journal was massive in his development. But, no. It never comes up.
I also was thrown off by Rico's death. I honestly forgot who Rico was because this book introduces so many characters that it's hard to keep up. It's hinted that Rico killed himself, but I couldn't find any discussion really. His funeral was just plopped in to show, I presume, the death of another gay man.
Also, can we talk about Ari visiting Bernardo? Oooooh brother. I expected this scene to be long and pivotal. Ari yearned after his brother the whole first book. It was such an important aspect of his identity. And then we get to prison, they talk for a page, and that's it. It's done. And barely referenced again. Ari says he found the missing piece of himself there, but there's no narrative discussion of what that means. He just drops it and the dreams stop. That's not how things work.
This book is SO dialogue heavy that I had no idea what the world looked like anymore.
Also, Bernardo killing a trans woman was an important point. And during that conversation between Ari and Bernardo, Ari consistently refers to the woman as she, correcting Bernardo's misgendering. Yet later, like at the end of the book, Ari asks his mom the name of the person Bernardo killed and visits her grave. And in this time, refers to the woman as "he" SEVERAL times before correcting himself. I found this incredibly strange as Ari made it a point to correct his brother. Why did he suddenly "forget" that? It reeks of transphobia, I fear.
I think there is a beautiful story here. I do, however, despise the thread of queer stories being laced with tragedy. That need not always be the answer. There's a hallmark in our stories, too. But I do like the approach with cartography. It gave an interesting spin to the story, even if it felt hammered to death.
I like Ari and Dante a whole lot, and I'm happy to have witnessed their growth. But this book feels like it could have used more time on the editing table.
There's so much in this book. So many stories and so much love and so many people to discover. I will say that I like the first book alot more. That isn't to say this one is bad -- but I do feel there was alot that could have been done. The pacing was very quick, which I'm not always a fan of. And some events that happened felt very sudden and disconnected. Some scenes that we anticipated and were done in a few pages and never brought up again. It felt very much like the author envisioned a ton of important plot points and forgot how to link them together. 3/4 of the book could have been cut out because of this.
Also, many editorial errors that left me confused. (At one point, we see Aristotle Quintana which made me reread for several minutes trying to figure out what that meant before deciding it was a clerical error.)
And everyone spoke in eloquent quotes, CONSTANTLY, which takes me out of the realistic aspects of the narrative. People are not profound in every conversation they ever have. It was honestly exhausting. They spoke like the sole purpose was for us to quote them on pinterest boards and photo captions.
I had trouble figuring out who was speaking half the time and how we were meant to understand the tone. So. Much. Dialogue. And so. Much. Profundity. It honestly didn't feel like a story about high schoolers anymore. High schoolers do not speak this way every second of every day to every question they are asked.
And everyone is always crying and always kissing Ari on the cheek. What's up with that? The only dialogue descriptors we get are "tears, crying, sobbing."
The whole book was setting up Legs to die. We had countless notes of her not being able to run anymore. She couldn't jump on the bed. And it had me so confused because, didn't Ari adopt her as a puppy like a year ago, if that? Dogs don't age that quickly. It left me confused on if I remembered her age correctly. It felt super strange and inconsistent, and then she didn't die. No, Ari's dad did, shortly after the two had a bonding trip. He died over the span of a few paragraphs from a heart attack. No prior discussions of declining health or anything. And considering this tragedy was alluded to in the book summary, it's odd that it took until like page 400 for it to happen. It was meant to be a pivotal point and it only impacts the last 100ish pages.
Also, Dante is basically a background character in this book. And it really feels like Ari doesn't like him much? He hardly says it or really shows it. I expected Ari to give Dante his journal or something at some point considering Ari writing in the journal was massive in his development. But, no. It never comes up.
I also was thrown off by Rico's death. I honestly forgot who Rico was because this book introduces so many characters that it's hard to keep up. It's hinted that Rico killed himself, but I couldn't find any discussion really. His funeral was just plopped in to show, I presume, the death of another gay man.
Also, can we talk about Ari visiting Bernardo? Oooooh brother. I expected this scene to be long and pivotal. Ari yearned after his brother the whole first book. It was such an important aspect of his identity. And then we get to prison, they talk for a page, and that's it. It's done. And barely referenced again. Ari says he found the missing piece of himself there, but there's no narrative discussion of what that means. He just drops it and the dreams stop. That's not how things work.
This book is SO dialogue heavy that I had no idea what the world looked like anymore.
Also, Bernardo killing a trans woman was an important point. And during that conversation between Ari and Bernardo, Ari consistently refers to the woman as she, correcting Bernardo's misgendering. Yet later, like at the end of the book, Ari asks his mom the name of the person Bernardo killed and visits her grave. And in this time, refers to the woman as "he" SEVERAL times before correcting himself. I found this incredibly strange as Ari made it a point to correct his brother. Why did he suddenly "forget" that? It reeks of transphobia, I fear.
I think there is a beautiful story here. I do, however, despise the thread of queer stories being laced with tragedy. That need not always be the answer. There's a hallmark in our stories, too. But I do like the approach with cartography. It gave an interesting spin to the story, even if it felt hammered to death.
I like Ari and Dante a whole lot, and I'm happy to have witnessed their growth. But this book feels like it could have used more time on the editing table.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia, Transphobia, Grief, and Death of parent
blackberryjambaby's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
hopeful
reflective
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Grief and Death of parent
Moderate: Bullying, Hate crime, Homophobia, Racism, Transphobia, Violence, and Xenophobia
carooolol's review against another edition
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
reflective
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Hate crime, Homophobia, and Transphobia
brianneh's review against another edition
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia and Death of parent
Moderate: Violence
Minor: Transphobia
wallflovver's review against another edition
challenging
emotional
funny
hopeful
inspiring
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
i always find my reviews for books i didn't like are much longer than for those i feel genuinely moved me
i loved this book so much and i find it so hard to write anything specific in a review.. but this ari and dante have been the only thing on my mind lately and i don't see myself moving on from them for a while
when i finished this, i just in floods of tears. this sounds so dramatic but i genuinely feel changed..
i know i will be returning to these books again and again
i loved this book so much and i find it so hard to write anything specific in a review.. but this ari and dante have been the only thing on my mind lately and i don't see myself moving on from them for a while
when i finished this, i just in floods of tears. this sounds so dramatic but i genuinely feel changed..
i know i will be returning to these books again and again
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Homophobia, Death of parent, and War
nick13's review against another edition
emotional
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Whenever I found out that a sequel to the first book existed I was extremely skeptical whether or not it needed one but after reading this, I can say without a doubt it did, or well it didn't really but I'm glad it does. Usually I don't care for sequels if the first story wraps everything up as they are usually lazy cash grabs but this one is nothing of the sort. Using all of the character growth and development in the precious story, this one takes the idea of growing up and expounds upon it, showing how growing up from a kid to an adult is so much more nuanced than most think and shows how people are forever growing and developing through their own experiences and the others around them. With all this being said, what I'm really trying to get to is that this book is incredibly well written with lines that I'll think about for years to come and has a story and characters that in some aspects are even better than the first one. While I cannot say this one is better objectively from the first book due to a little bit of a lackluster ending in my view, this book seemingly had a much more profound impact on me as a person than the last one or even most books I read do.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Homophobia, and Grief
cococorycollins's review against another edition
emotional
inspiring
sad
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia, Transphobia, and Death of parent
katbotelho's review against another edition
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
I was worried a sequel would ruin the integrity of the original book but I think this book only added to the series. I especially enjoyed watching Ari actually develop into a well-rounded person. Gaining closure with his brother, experiencing love both platonic and romantic, and loss. Great sequel.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Homophobia and Death of parent
Moderate: Racism
Minor: Pregnancy