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melele's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Starting with the reasons why I liked it, this book is undeniably different.
It is clear that the goals the author set for herself were original and the way the world-building, writing, mood and characters combine together under her vision does not feel like anything else I have read. The result is a book that is rough, unapologetic, a far cry from what I thought I was getting myself into when I saw The Poppy War labelled as a historical military fantasy.
However, when thinking of each of the book's components per se, they all feel somewhat underdeveloped.
There is no particular effort put in the world-building: Nikan is clearly China and the Federation is clearly Japan, Hesperia is the West, the only fictional entity is Speer (culturally speaking, geographically it corresponds to Taiwan). I also find that the Academy idea is a bit trite, although effectively executed.
The magic system is cool, but manages to feel at the same time relatively simple and not well explored.
The plot and pacing are a bit all over the place. I got hooked during the chapters that depict Rin at the Academy, but as soon as she graduated the Academy I found the plot started to lack direction and drag or rush forward in a way that felt erratic.
Some of the plot points connected to shamanism, such as the section about the exagrams, how Rin and Altan escape their captors and Rin's 'revenge' were not set up well. I did not understand how or why things happened they way they did, the pure mechanics of it.
Also Rin and Altan being captured came completely out of the blue. There was no hint and I thought it made for a weak twist, which in turn weakened the attempt to present them as chess pieces in someone else's game.
Next stop, the writing. Considering this is a historical military fantasy, I was expecting the writing and dialogue to be formal and refined, instead it is strightforward and casual. There is no show of deference between characters, even though the story takes place in a military environment and not later than the 1930s and 40s if I had to assign a timeline.
The characters are also not fleshed out in a way that felt satisfying.
Rin was reasonably well-rounded but the rest of the characters were quite flat in my opinion, especially the rest of the Cike.
Nehza's U turn was quite disappointing. Apart from bullying Rin, he was depicted as responsible for intentionally and irreparably maiming several other academy students without suffering any consequences and in 5 seconds flat he becomes a saint. The confrontation with Rin does not even begin to account for his viciousness.
Altan's character did feel like a collection of facts and data, I never made sense of him, never connected with him at all, even though I would say he is the second most important character in the book.
Last but not least, I need to approach the main issue I had with the book.
I was expecting The Poppy War to be ruthless and include triggering content and I was fine with every single instance of violence until I got to Chapter 21.
I did not know that this chapter is inspired by a specific historical event, but for some reason while reading the atrocities described there, I just KNEW without a shadow of a doubt that they were taken word for word from historical accounts, that those things listed there had definitely happened somewhere at some point. It's as if a portion of a non-fiction book was copied and pasted in a fiction book.
On the one hand the effect was indeniably powerful, but, as mentioned, it did not blend successfully into the narrative and, more importantly, I am struggling to identify which purpose it served. Althought the book features revenge, the revenge is NOT fueled, as one would expect, by Chapter 21. What happended, although described in plenty of details over paragraphs, felt cast aside. The Speer genocide which is mentioned throughout the book but never feels as real seems to be more of a factor.
I am not after the author for deciding to use historical facts however grim in her story and I did not think at all that those descriptions were there for shock value, but it did NOT feel as if they contributed cohesively to convey a message, raise any worthwhile or well-explored moral dilemma or cause any character development. It's the 21st century and we still need to explicitly point out that de-humanising ones enemies is wrong and dangerous? Can we at least dig a bit deeper rather than just point the finger?
I am also not sure whether it is fair to take something the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2, have the Federation (which is clearly Japan) do the same to Nikan (which is clearly China), describe it in detail, and have it counterbalanced by a horrific but completely fictional and only broadly described revenge on the part of the Nikan protagonist. I understand that the Japanese might not have been held accountable as much as the Germans were held accountable, but is a fantasy novel the place to do so?
Plenty of food for thought!
Graphic: Addiction, Toxic relationship, War, Violence, Sexual violence, Drug use, Genocide, Rape, and Self harm
I think I liked The Poppy War, but there is a lot to unpack. I did not love it, I definitely won't be reading it again any time soon and I am not sure I will continue the series either. Starting with the reasons why I liked it, this book is undeniably different. It is clear that the goals the author set for herself were original and the way the world-building, writing, mood and characters combine together under her vision does not feel like anything else I have read. The result is a book that is rough, unapologetic, a far cry from what I thought I was getting myself into when I saw The Poppy War labelled as a historical military fantasy. However, when thinking of each of the book's components per se, they all feel somewhat underdeveloped. There is no particular effort put in the world-building: Nikan is clearly China and the Federation is clearly Japan, Hesperia is the West, the only fictional entity is Speer (culturally speaking, geographically it corresponds to Taiwan). I also find that the Academy idea is a bit trite, although effectively executed. The magic system is cool, but manages to feel at the same time relatively simple and not well explored. The plot and pacing are a bit all over the place. I got hooked during the chapters that depict Rin at the Academy, but as soon as she graduated the Academy I found the plot started to lack direction and drag or rush forward in a way that felt erratic. Some of the plot points connected to shamanism, such as the section about the exagrams, how Rin and Altan escape their captors and Rin's 'revenge' were not set up well. I did not understand how or why things happened they way they did, the pure mechanics of it. Also Rin and Altan being captured came completely out of the blue. There was no hint and I thought it made for a weak twist, which in turn weakened the attempt to present them as chess pieces in someone else's game. Next stop, the writing. Considering this is a historical military fantasy, I was expecting the writing and dialogue to be formal and refined, instead it is strightforward and casual. There is no show of deference between characters, even though the story takes place in a military environment and not earlier than the 1930s and 40s if I had to assign a timeline. The characters are also not fleshed out in a way that felt satisfying. Rin was reasonably well-rounded but the rest of the characters were quite flat in my opinion, especially the rest of the Cike. Nehza's U turn was quite disappointing. Apart from bullying Rin, he was depicted as responsible for intentionally and irreparably maiming several other academy students without suffering any consequences and in 5 seconds flat he becomes a saint. The confrontation with Rin does not even begin to account for his viciousness. Altan's character did feel like a collection of facts and data, I never made sense of him, never connected with him at all, even though I would say he is the second most important character in the book. Last but not least, I need to approach the main issue I had with the book. I was expecting The Poppy War to be ruthless and include triggering content and I was fine with every single instance of violence until I got to Chapter 21. I did not know that this chapter is inspired by a specific historical event, but for some reason while reading the atrocities described there, I just KNEW without a shadow of a doubt that they were taken word for word from historical accounts, that those things listed there had definitely happened somewhere at some point. It's as if a portion of a non-fiction book was copied and pasted in a fiction book. On the one hand the effect was indeniably powerful, but, as mentioned, it did not blend successfully into the narrative and, more importantly, I am struggling to identify which purpose it served. Althought the book features revenge, the revenge is NOT fueled, as one would expect, by Chapter 21. What happended, although described in plenty of details over paragraphs, felt cast aside. The Speer genocide which is mentioned throughout the book but never feels as real seems to be more of a factor. I am not after the author for deciding to use historical facts however grim in her story and I did not think at all that those descriptions were there for shock value, but it did NOT feel as if they contributed cohesively to convey a message, raise any worthwhile or well-explored moral dilemma or cause any character development. It's the 21st century and we still need to explicitly point out that de-humanising ones enemies is wrong and dangerous? Can we at least dig a bit deeper rather than just point the finger? I am also not sure whether it is fair to take something the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2, have the Federation (which is clearly Japan) do the same to Nikan (which is clearly China), describe it in detail, and have it counterbalanced by a horrific but completely fictional and only broadly described revenge on the part of the Nikan protagonist. I understand that the Japanese might not have been held accountable as much as the Germans were held accountable, but is a fantasy novel the place to do so?topherisswell's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
Graphic: War and Violence
Moderate: Child death, Drug use, Blood, Physical abuse, Rape, Toxic relationship, Gore, Child abuse, Addiction, and Drug abuse
Minor: Trafficking
edilyaaang's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.5
I love the other characters but hate how brutal and unreasonable and heartless they could be. I also love how fierce Rin's love for her people is but hate how she lets anger and revenge and her hunger for power consume her to the point that she refused to see reason. Her retaliation when things don't go her ways is immature and childish. Someone needs anger management sessions.
The battle scenes from this book also disturbed me. As someone from an Asian country who was under Japanese occupation in the past, the horrors narrated in the book regarding their brutality presented me a mental picture if the watered down versions I learned in school. It turned my stomach getting blow by blow descriptions of the atrocities done by the Japanese during that time. Sure, I learned what they did through history class and from what my grandparents who were kids during the invasion told me but never in graphic detail. It made me angry because it really did happen in the past and there are people still alive today who went through all that suffering.
Anyways, ranting aside, I really did enjoy the book even though here were "huh?" and "wtf!" moments. Reviews state that the 2nd and 3rd installment to this book gets better so, I am so looking forward to that.
Graphic: Genocide, Gore, Mass/school shootings, Death, Drug use, Murder, Toxic relationship, Violence, Addiction, Blood, Colonisation, Child abuse, Child death, Drug abuse, Fire/Fire injury, Physical abuse, Police brutality, War, Racism, Rape, Slavery, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, and Torture
ceejreads's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Genocide, Gore, Injury/Injury detail, Panic attacks/disorders, Physical abuse, Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual harassment, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Torture, Toxic relationship, Violence, War, Classism, Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Fire/Fire injury, Addiction, Blood, Child death, Death, Grief, and Murder
gcjay1994's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: War, Addiction, Blood, Child death, Emotional abuse, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, Colonisation, Drug abuse, Drug use, Genocide, Grief, Infertility, Body horror, Toxic relationship, Death, Gore, Toxic friendship, and Violence
dakotahrey's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Emotional abuse, Physical abuse, Rape, Addiction, Death, Drug abuse, Mental illness, Torture, Murder, Violence, Child abuse, Genocide, Gore, Sexual violence, Toxic friendship, War, Body horror, Child death, Classism, Drug use, Grief, Fire/Fire injury, Slavery, Blood, Injury/Injury detail, and Toxic relationship
reka111's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
I have become something wonderful, she thought. I have become something terrible. Was she now a goddess or a monster? Perhaps neither. Perhaps both.
The review contains spoilers!!!
Right now I feel so many things that I can't say; I want to burn the world, sob until I'm nothing but an empty dustpan and dance with the wild wind at the same time. So right now I feel everything and nothing, death and life, sorrow and happiness at the same time. I just finished reading it a few minutes ago and I can't get the words out of my head, I have so many thoughts about this book.
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I have never read - and probably never will - another well-crafted book in my life. This story has a past, present and future. It tells about gods and mortals at the same time. The world itself was very interesting and I can't wait to go back there again, I'm not exaggerating when I say that although it was brutal (definitely not for those who can't stand blood and death, etc.) it still had its own beauty, something unfathomably beautiful in it. I really liked that the writer drew a lot from mythology and brought real nightmares to life.
Tir
Although we knew very little about him, I felt sorry for him and I feel that if I had been there, I would have tried to save him and help him.
(Ircsa in Hungarian)
I thought my soul would never stop sobbing. He deserves a thousand times better.
my dear Raban, I am so used to his presence as to his air, my heart stopped when he died.
Graphic: Bullying, Domestic abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Injury/Injury detail, War, Panic attacks/disorders, Torture, Blood, Fire/Fire injury, Grief, Kidnapping, Child death, Cursing, Death, Violence, Death of parent, and Mental illness
Moderate: Toxic friendship and Toxic relationship
Minor: Abortion, Sexual assault, Sexual harassment, Animal cruelty, and Animal death
fedekanejbrainrot's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Grief, Misogyny, Murder, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, Slavery, Abandonment, Blood, Body horror, Child abuse, Colonisation, Confinement, Cultural appropriation, Cursing, Death, Death of parent, Genocide, Drug abuse, Fire/Fire injury, Gore, Torture, Toxic relationship, Violence, War, Addiction, Bullying, Child death, Hate crime, Injury/Injury detail, Kidnapping, Drug use, Racial slurs, Racism, Rape, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Self harm, Sexual harassment, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, and Suicide attempt
Moderate: Abortion, Medical trauma, Religious bigotry, and Physical abuse
cardanwine's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Graphic: Trafficking, Misogyny, War, Xenophobia, Torture, Fire/Fire injury, Emotional abuse, Death of parent, Death, Cursing, Confinement, Child death, Child abuse, Blood, Addiction, Gore, Animal death, Violence, Toxic relationship, Suicide attempt, Sexual violence, Sexual harassment, Sexual assault, Self harm, Rape, Racism, Police brutality, Murder, Mass/school shootings, Injury/Injury detail, Infertility, Hate crime, Genocide, Drug use, Drug abuse, Domestic abuse, Colonisation, Bullying, Animal cruelty, and Abandonment
pearlbird's review against another edition
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Sexual violence, Drug abuse, Self harm, War, Xenophobia, Toxic relationship, Racism, Injury/Injury detail, Fire/Fire injury, and Genocide
Moderate: Misogyny, Classism, Rape, Racial slurs, Medical content, and Colonisation