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The Poppy War by R.F. Kuang

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melele's review against another edition

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dark emotional sad tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? No
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.0

I think I liked The Poppy War, but there is a lot to unpack. I did not love it, I definitely won't be reading it again any time soon and I am not sure I will continue the series either. 

Starting with the reasons why I liked it, this book is undeniably different.
 It is clear that the goals the author set for herself were original and the way the world-building, writing, mood and characters combine together under her vision does not feel like anything else I have read. The result is a book that is rough, unapologetic, a far cry from what I thought I was getting myself into when I saw The Poppy War labelled as a historical military fantasy. 

However, when thinking of each of the book's components per se, they all feel somewhat underdeveloped. 

There is no particular effort put in the world-building: Nikan is clearly China and the Federation is clearly Japan, Hesperia is the West, the only fictional entity is Speer (culturally speaking, geographically it corresponds to Taiwan). I also find that the Academy idea is a bit trite, although effectively executed.
 The magic system is cool, but manages to feel at the same time relatively simple and not well explored. 

The plot and pacing are a bit all over the place. I got hooked during the chapters that depict Rin at the Academy, but as soon as she graduated the Academy I found the plot started to lack direction and drag or rush forward in a way that felt erratic.
 Some of the plot points connected to shamanism, such as the section about the exagrams, how Rin and Altan escape their captors and Rin's 'revenge' were not set up well. I did not understand how or why things happened they way they did, the pure mechanics of it.
 Also Rin and Altan being captured came completely out of the blue. There was no hint and I thought it made for a weak twist, which in turn weakened the attempt to present them as chess pieces in someone else's game. 

Next stop, the writing. Considering this is a historical military fantasy, I was expecting the writing and dialogue to be formal and refined, instead it is strightforward and casual. There is no show of deference between characters, even though the story takes place in a military environment and not later than the 1930s and 40s if I had to assign a timeline. 

The characters are also not fleshed out in a way that felt satisfying.
 Rin was reasonably well-rounded but the rest of the characters were quite flat in my opinion, especially the rest of the Cike.
 Nehza's U turn was quite disappointing. Apart from bullying Rin, he was depicted as responsible for intentionally and irreparably maiming several other academy students without suffering any consequences and in 5 seconds flat he becomes a saint. The confrontation with Rin does not even begin to account for his viciousness.
 Altan's character did feel like a collection of facts and data, I never made sense of him, never connected with him at all, even though I would say he is the second most important character in the book. 

Last but not least, I need to approach the main issue I had with the book.
 I was expecting The Poppy War to be ruthless and include triggering content and I was fine with every single instance of violence until I got to Chapter 21.
 I did not know that this chapter is inspired by a specific historical event, but for some reason while reading the atrocities described there, I just KNEW without a shadow of a doubt that they were taken word for word from historical accounts, that those things listed there had definitely happened somewhere at some point. It's as if a portion of a non-fiction book was copied and pasted in a fiction book. 
 On the one hand the effect was indeniably powerful, but, as mentioned, it did not blend successfully into the narrative and, more importantly, I am struggling to identify which purpose it served. Althought the book features revenge, the revenge is NOT fueled, as one would expect, by Chapter 21. What happended, although described in plenty of details over paragraphs, felt cast aside. The Speer genocide which is mentioned throughout the book but never feels as real seems to be more of a factor.
 I am not after the author for deciding to use historical facts however grim in her story and I did not think at all that those descriptions were there for shock value, but it did NOT feel as if they contributed cohesively to convey a message, raise any worthwhile or well-explored moral dilemma or cause any character development. It's the 21st century and we still need to explicitly point out that de-humanising ones enemies is wrong and dangerous? Can we at least dig a bit deeper rather than just point the finger? 
 I am also not sure whether it is fair to take something the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2, have the Federation (which is clearly Japan) do the same to Nikan (which is clearly China), describe it in detail, and have it counterbalanced by a horrific but completely fictional and only broadly described revenge on the part of the Nikan protagonist. I understand that the Japanese might not have been held accountable as much as the Germans were held accountable, but is a fantasy novel the place to do so?

Plenty of food for thought!

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topherisswell's review against another edition

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adventurous dark medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? No
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? No
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? No

3.0


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edilyaaang's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional sad tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Plot
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.5

I have love-hate feelings for this book. I love how the story kept me on edge but I hate how events are vague sometimes. Like what the hell is happening and how did we get here all of a sudden. I love that it draws from real historical events but hate how some parts seemed exaggerated. Maybe because it is a fantasy fiction so that cant be avoided.
I love the other characters but hate how brutal and unreasonable and heartless they could be. I also love how fierce Rin's love for her people is but hate how she lets anger and revenge and her hunger for power consume her to the point that she refused to see reason. Her retaliation when things don't go her ways is immature and childish. Someone needs anger management sessions.

The battle scenes from this book also disturbed me. As someone from an Asian country who was under Japanese occupation in the past, the horrors narrated in the book regarding their brutality presented me a mental picture if the watered down versions I learned in school. It turned my stomach getting blow by blow descriptions of the atrocities done by the Japanese during that time. Sure, I learned what they did through history class and from what my grandparents who were kids during the invasion told me but never in graphic detail. It made me angry because it really did happen in the past and there are people still alive today who went through all that suffering.

Anyways, ranting aside, I really did enjoy the book even though here were "huh?" and "wtf!" moments. Reviews state that the 2nd and 3rd installment to this book gets better so, I am so looking forward to that.

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ceejreads's review against another edition

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challenging dark emotional informative reflective sad tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0


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gcjay1994's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? It's complicated
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0


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dakotahrey's review against another edition

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adventurous dark emotional sad tense fast-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? No
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

I know the content warnings are a lot, but this book is based on the Nanjing massacre so they're very valid lol. If you can stomach detailed war crimes you'll be able to read the book, but there were some parts that were explicitly detailed and were hard to read.  

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reka111's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional funny hopeful inspiring mysterious relaxing sad tense slow-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? Character
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? Yes
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

5.0

I have become something wonderful, she thought. I have become something terrible. Was she now a goddess or a monster? Perhaps neither. Perhaps both.

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Right now I feel so many things that I can't say; I want to burn the world, sob until I'm nothing but an empty dustpan and dance with the wild wind at the same time. So right now I feel everything and nothing, death and life, sorrow and happiness at the same time. I just finished reading it a few minutes ago and I can't get the words out of my head, I have so many thoughts about this book. 

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I have never read - and probably never will - another well-crafted book in my life.  This story has a past, present and future.  It tells about gods and mortals at the same time. The world itself was very interesting and I can't wait to go back there again, I'm not exaggerating when I say that although it was brutal (definitely not for those who can't stand blood and death, etc.) it still had its own beauty, something unfathomably beautiful in it.  I really liked that the writer drew a lot from mythology and brought real nightmares to life. 

Rin (Zsin in Hungarian) was a great main character, a real unquenchable flame.  I simply loved that we could trace what fire, power and so much death were able to do to that innocent little girl. Runin was very nice to me at first and still is, but I feel that later on I will lose her, she will be burned by her own flames and I can't do anything to save her. The knowledge that history will (probably) repeat itself fills me with great pain.  But actually I understood, I understood her soul, her whole damned being.  Although she didn't do the right thing many times, in the end most of us would have done exactly what she did in these situations, even the strongest will break during a long fight (just like Altan) and I'm sure that sooner or later Runin will break too. It's fate, you can't avoid fate and finally you can't make a deal with it, but you can indeed delay it. 

Nezha (Nö-Csa in Hungarian) I'm not lying when I say that I fell in love from the beginning, but really, but who's to blame?  I'm begging you, this boy knows something, he chains people to himself, I'm not at all surprised that Runin falls in love with him later on.  I liked his character. He goes through a huge development during the book (I've rarely seen character development like his).  He went from being a spoiled and cruel tyrant to an understanding and relatively forgiving person. Basically, Nezha is an excellent fighter, but he doesn't always think through what exactly he wants.  I want to know what happened to him and I want to let him know that he is not alone, that Runin wanted to go after him, that she was trying to save him even at the cost of her own life.  I hope we get more of him in the next book. 

Kitay and Venka are secondary characters, but they are very important in shaping the main character (Runin) into what she is.  Despite everything, Kitay stuck by her, he was her friend and one of her most devoted allies in the academy and beyond.  The voice of common sense, although he too was broken by the war, he did not forget that he is human, like anyone else, that he lives and breathes like any other living being and nothing is more important than that.  A part of me died because of Venka and I haven't recovered from it since, it's unbelievable that one of the best students of the academy, one of the most dangerous girls, was treated like this. It's disgusting what they did to her, it's disgusting what they did to women, but in war there really is no such thing as a winner or a loser, only broken souls, I feel that she will never recover from what she had to go through, I think she suffered more than anyone else.  I wish she had died, she would have been a real blessing compared to what they did to her. 

Jiang (Csiang in Hungarian) is my guardian, my hero and my support.  When I first read about the disappearance of the Gatekeeper, I didn't even suspect him, I saw him as a simple, a bit sloppy, but kind master (even after what was revealed), but then the gatekeeper who released monsters into the world started to suspect him, but he disappeared in  from picture.  And it made the seal even more suspicious.  My heart bled for him in prison, he never deserved what the empress did to him, it was simply cruel. 

Altan was so broken, so damned broken, it's a wonder he didn't fall to pieces.  He still fought bravely for his people, his country and himself. I'm glad he got the closure he deserved, I'm glad he got the revenge he deserved and I don't regret supporting him at all, because he deserved everything and even more.  They ruined his life, he carried more bleeding wounds than anyone else.  He needed this, he really needed this, he needed to find peace and be reunited with his people and family. 

I don't want to go into the Cike itself, but I loved them very much, each and every one of them with my whole soul.  They are a real family, not just outcasts and not just criminals, they are a real team. 

Betrayal is nothing new, especially not in books like this, but it still hurt, because a ruler's job is to rule her people, to protect them like gods, not to turn against them.  Not only Rin wants to kill the empress but also me. 

Other characters who died and deserve at least one mention: 

Tir 
Although we knew very little about him, I felt sorry for him and I feel that if I had been there, I would have tried to save him and help him. 

Irjah
(Ircsa in Hungarian)
I thought my soul would never stop sobbing. He deserves a thousand times better.

Raban 
my dear Raban, I am so used to his presence as to his air, my heart stopped when he died. 

Basically, the plot was easy to follow, but sometimes the time jumps really bothered me, we literally jumped weeks, months and years in just a few pages, which is fine, but I would have been very happy if the author had prepared me a little for these.It was terribly interesting, even though it took me so long to read it, although it is not exactly an easy afternoon's read with its 580 pages, and it dissects topics that cannot exactly be called easy.  Despite the fact that this was the first book about actual war, torture and death that I read, I took the hurdle quite easily. I'm not a big fan of these acts of violence, but they didn't really bother me either, because they showed me what a bloody war is like, the unvarnished truth. I can't wait to read the next book! 


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fedekanejbrainrot's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional informative inspiring reflective sad tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

if this isn't the best fantasy you've ever read, then what the hell did you read

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cardanwine's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional mysterious sad tense medium-paced
  • Plot- or character-driven? A mix
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? Yes
  • Diverse cast of characters? Yes
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

5.0


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pearlbird's review against another edition

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adventurous dark sad slow-paced
  • Strong character development? Yes
  • Loveable characters? It's complicated
  • Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0


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