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tardislibrary's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
This is a hefty book. With language and world building so thick you can sink your teeth into it.
Read it, it’s worth it
Graphic: Gun violence, Racism, Torture, Violence, and Murder
Moderate: Child abuse, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Xenophobia, Trafficking, Colonisation, and Classism
Minor: Addiction, Drug use, Racial slurs, Sexism, Grief, Death of parent, and War
bookshelfmonkey's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Having read the Poppy War trilogy and sobbed for 30 minutes straight after finishing it, I should have been at least somewhat prepared for this, but R.F. Kuang broke down my emotional walls, got me attached to these characters and invested in their lives and futures and relationships and made me fall a little bit in love with this magical, corrupted, broken world, and then did... that.
Graphic: Child abuse, Death, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Racism, Sexism, Suicidal thoughts, Xenophobia, Kidnapping, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Colonisation, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Drug abuse, Torture, Blood, Trafficking, Fire/Fire injury, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, and War
Minor: Addiction, Child death, and Abandonment
46jjsg's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Pros:
This novel really put everything I've always felt into words- for context, I'm someone who fled her home country, only to end up in the same country that had destroyed it. There are so many feelings that come to mind when I think about the country I was raised in. "Racist" feels too cheap, yet "colonialist" feels too broad of a term to explain the experience. Yes it was those things, but it's almost so much more. Maybe dehumanizing is too much of a dramatic word to use, because I, too, have privileges that people would be grateful for... I can't help but feel pure dehumanizing hatred sometimes when I think about it deeply.
I would never call the relationships in this novel a "found family," but the way R.F. Kuang wrote their friendships ache in familiarity. The cohort's relationship in their first books is so mundane, but it's painfully heartwarming and profound.
Robin Swift- a greatly flawed protagonist.
Griffin- I love this character dearly, y'all have no idea. Ironically, I didn't make the connection that he, like Robin, has a bird name until the very end as I reflected on the entire novel. A devastated character and his parallels with Robin is not lost on me. The catchphrase used to promote this novel that is seen time and time again is "an act of translation is always an act of betrayal," and the title itself includes the phrase "the Necessity of Violence."
Letty-
I can't get over Letty calling Robin "Birdie" in chapter 16... using a word- an word of affection- no, Stealing a word and using it as a weapon is so. Narratively fitting. It sent a chill down my back and my stomach churned. Letty's white woman allyship is something I'm all too familiar with... her cognitive dissonance when her schema is challenged and ultimately her final reactions/actions is something I've seen time and time again. I loved how Victoire mentioned that from Letty's perspective, she must've felt just as betrayed as them. Betrayed for not staying in the status quo. Betrayed for not accepting and being grateful for the privilege and opportunity given to them- for she, too, is a minority. After all she is a woman. What she doesn't understand and what she will ever understand, is that compared to them she will always be white first. Letty can't get over the fact that she too has struggled and yet she would never rebel like they would. Letty can't see that it's not racism vs misogyny. She can't and won't ever see the intersectionality of the two. Her rigid way of thinking and seeing herself as a victim first completely disregards the fact that Victoire is a woman of color and her very existence is an act of rebellion.
I think like me, Victoire saw the end of Letty coming, but her talk with Robin really put everything I feel about white woman into painful but honest words:
Victoire didn't need to ask who he meant. 'It was like an exercise in
hope, she said after a pause. Loving her, I mean. Sometimes Id think she'd come around. Sometimes I'd look her in the eyes and think that I was looking at true friend. Then she'd say something, make some off-the-cuff comment, and the whole cycle would begin all over again.
It was like pouring sand into a sieve, nothing stuck.
Ramy-
I think I screamed when I turned the page and saw "Interlude: Ramy," written at the 50% mark of the novel. I'm all too grateful for having that small bit of him.
So. About Robin and Ramy. Listen- mayhaps I , too, am naive and slow EQ like Robin, but I listen I have my own issues. At the 93% mark, my notes state "and if i said maybe Robin was maybe a little in love with Ramy would I be wrong...?" and by the end of the novel my reaction was the following: "I 100% know the cohort loved each other but I genuinely think Robin held romantic love for Ramy... [Robin and I] didn't realize it until after Ramy's death tho.... there was this one line when Robin and Victoire talked with Letty- a fleeting thought about how Robin felt it was odd bc their cohort was unbalanced bc they were always in pairs and I just full-body slammed at the thought that oh that was right Robin and Ramy were pairs. Match-pairs like silver. That also made me reflect to earlier where Robin and Victoire talk about Letty for the first time after she betrayed them- that Robin realizes that for Victoire the betrayal must be deeper bc they, too, were a pair." Full-on sobs once I came to the realization- they loved LOVED each other. I would ask myself "how did I not see it," but just like Robin I was a little preoccupied with the looming Hermes Society and the stress of Babel okay. I've seen other reviewers comment on their little back and forth in the ball scene, but I mistakenly interpreted that tension was over the fact that Robin wasn't picking up that a brown man and white woman could never be together not that Ramy felt something for Robin !!! I feel quite foolish now, but it all makes the loss of Ramy even more devastating.
Victoire-
I'm all too fascinated by the parallels between Robin/Victoire and Griffin/Anthony as we got to the later half of the book. I could on and on about the act of translation, violence, and love but I think this review is already too long.
I can't get over the reflection of her solitude despite the existence of the cohort. How lonely she must've felt. How hopeful she must've been.
In the end, Victoire was right. She chose the harder way by continuing to live. By continuing to survive. In a world where her very existence as a black woman is an act of rebellion, she can't help but chose this path. Victoire is resilience to live and fight in a world that doesn't want her to live is heartbreaking.
Also ngl- I gagged when I realized her name was a hint the entire time. A beacon of hope and promise to the future. R.F. Kuang your mind!!!
Cons:
So after finishing this novel, I've come to understand the familiar criticism that R.F. Kuang doesn't trust that her readers come to their own conclusions. Example:
They'd had this argument before. The ghosts of Anthony and Griffin loomed between them: one guided by the conviction that the enemy would at least act in rational self-interest, if not altruism, and the other guided less by conviction, less by telos, and more by sheer, untrammelled rage.
I'm not really sure who R.F. Kuang writes for... if she's too on the nose, POC will say well isn't that obvious? If she's too vague, white people misinterpret or miss the point entirely. It's a difficult balance and I think there's no pleasing everyone. I think it's up to the reader to decide how they feel personally on this aspect of R.F. Kuang's writing.
Side Note: I love love loved the creativity, the cleverness, and just the existence of the footnotes. They provide information, context, and at times humor. The footnotes narrator is one of my favorite characters and it baffles me that people skipped reading the footnotes entirely.
Graphic: Bullying, Child abuse, Death, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Police brutality, Medical content, Trafficking, Kidnapping, Grief, Murder, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Minor: Addiction, Alcoholism, Drug abuse, Terminal illness, and Death of parent
ineedmorecoffee's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Moderate: Death, Drug use, Gun violence, Racial slurs, Suicide, Torture, Blood, Trafficking, Death of parent, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
not_asha01's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Moderate: Bullying, Child abuse, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Mental illness, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Vomit, Islamophobia, Medical content, Trafficking, Kidnapping, Grief, Religious bigotry, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Minor: Addiction
tbd24's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Graphic: Bullying, Child abuse, Confinement, Death, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Gore, Gun violence, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Terminal illness, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Grief, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Colonisation, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Moderate: Ableism, Addiction, Sexism, Slavery, Islamophobia, Trafficking, Toxic friendship, and War
jelliestars's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.0
Graphic: Death, Gun violence, Misogyny, Racism, Sexism, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Toxic friendship, and Colonisation
Moderate: Addiction, Alcoholism, Child abuse, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Gore, Hate crime, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Slavery, Terminal illness, Torture, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Minor: Alcoholism, Child death, Confinement, Cursing, Genocide, Infidelity, Panic attacks/disorders, Forced institutionalization, Excrement, Vomit, Islamophobia, Medical content, Trafficking, Kidnapping, Religious bigotry, Car accident, Fire/Fire injury, and Pandemic/Epidemic
scmiller's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
4.5
Graphic: Child abuse, Confinement, Death, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Forced institutionalization, Xenophobia, Blood, Police brutality, Trafficking, Grief, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Addiction, Alcoholism, Bullying, Confinement, Drug abuse, Drug use, Infidelity, Panic attacks/disorders, Blood, Vomit, Police brutality, Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Cultural appropriation, Alcohol, and Deportation
jamesdaniel's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Emotional abuse, Hate crime, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Violence, Xenophobia, Grief, Murder, Colonisation, and War
Moderate: Child abuse, Death, Gun violence, Misogyny, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Trafficking, Abandonment, Sexual harassment, and Classism
Minor: Body horror, Blood, Antisemitism, and Medical trauma
solarel's review
- Plot- or character-driven? N/A
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
Conceptually the book discussed important themes with no subtlety, but there was nothing there to keep attention to. A bit disappointing.
Graphic: Child abuse, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Self harm, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Police brutality, Islamophobia, Trafficking, Grief, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, and Classism