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snowiceblackfruit77's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Graphic: Addiction, Body horror, Bullying, Child abuse, Death, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Gore, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Sexual assault, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Forced institutionalization, Xenophobia, Blood, Police brutality, Medical content, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
elysiumreads's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.5
The book obviously wants to make a point about intersectionality and the ethics of the British empire and it is has an essay-like quality to it, but due to the setting of the novel I didn’t find it disruptive or alien. The underlying ‘essay’ is well structured so it flows well. I had the opposite issue reading The Goldfinch by Tartt, where I felt like there was an attempt at an underlying ‘essay’ but it surfaced in bursts, at surprising times and from characters that weren’t normally that eloquent, so it felt quite jarring.
As a foreigner who studied languages and lives abroad, this hit home many times.
Moderate: Colonisation
Minor: Addiction, Body horror, Bullying, Child abuse, Racism, Slavery, Blood, Murder, and Classism
angelsplash's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
I fell in love with the 4 main characters (yes even that one). It was such a journey to see all of the ways they connected and differed and how it ultimately comes together.
My only issue, which is really quite small, is that sometimes it doesn't feel like I'm reading from the perspective of the characters and more like I'm reading the authors' thoughts instead. For example "For a country that profited so well from trading in spices, it's citizens were violently averse to actually using them." Which read as a joke I had sworn I'd seen on Tumblr but with more casual language. This happens a fair few times throughout the book and causes some characters to be talking encyclopedias. They remember exact dates and names of every relevant fact and correction. And while it makes sense, since they are scholars, it doesn't quite read like that. It doesn't quite carry their individual voices as well as I'd hoped. Again, very minor problems.
At risk of any spoilers, I will stop her, but just know that this book was just on the cusp of a perfect 5 Stars! It moved me to tears and everything came to a mostly satisfying conclusion! Highly recommend to just about everyone!
Graphic: Child abuse, Death, Gun violence, Misogyny, Racism, Sexism, Xenophobia, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, and Colonisation
Moderate: Body horror, Drug use, Genocide, Gore, Torture, Toxic friendship, and War
Minor: Addiction, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Vomit, Religious bigotry, Gaslighting, Alcohol, and Sexual harassment
aliyah_d's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.75
Similarly, the author seems to misunderstand which mysteries and plot points were worth nurturing, such as Eveline Brook one's whom I am constantly telegraphed by the author that her deal is a dreadful, awful little thing (Kuang's refusal to allow the readers to develop their own perspectives and feelings on the story she developed is exhausting ; also she genuinely doesn’t know how to build a twist).
Yet, the following game changing revelation that should have been Anthony, Victoire and Ramy was treated as a complete side note. It should have been a slow and thrilling unwrapping, sent Robin in a form of turmoil, exploring his conflicted feelings here and there in the middle of a failed heist, friends rediscovering one another in a flash and instead we got... a quick observation. Three pages of clunky dialogue, then hop to the next scene we go, hop to the following plot point. Not that this revelation was well foreshadowed, but an expected twist should still pack a punch. Kuang did not pack anything. It was dry and uneventful because she didn't think it mattered or because she didn’t know how to make these moments shine. Her bare, slightly evocative at times but strictly functional writing style worked against her story here. That one was quite frankly the worst written part of the book (if we are willing to gloss over Griffin's whole "this isn't a novel, this is real life" rant which I believe even the most amateur writers know how to avoid).
I felt there was, again, more to be spent on the inner workings of imperialism elsewhere (always quickly mentioned and brushed aside), without sabotaging the main study of this book. It could have enriched it, but it was consciously avoided.
In quite the same way, making nearly all the white British characters devoid of any ability to empathize with non-white characters at ANY level and always blindly favoring the crown, or wrapped their allyship in faux-pas, white savior complex or straight shallowness (minus a single character), as if the mere concept of allyship was just a mirage, made many turns of the book predictable and the narration less dynamic and felt like another cop-out.
I rather not even delve into the shaky foundations of this novel (there's a magic that's been around since ancient Rome, but the course of history is barely changed by it?), as I'm willing to exercise a certain form of disbelief to meet this book halfway. So, I rather talk about the way Kuang refuses to address intersectionality as a multi-ways concept and the way Imperialism weaves sexism, classism and racism, instead circling back to "yes but racism (from white against non-white) is clearly way more important", which seems to be often incarnated by Letty's character and subsequent intervention since this rubbed me the wrong way. As it stands, I didn't like a lot of things about the way Kuang chose to write anything regarding Letty. There's a constant coldness and apathy towards her identity and struggles, if not downright contempt and hatred for upper class white women in general, that just oozed from the page every single time she is described and that often deep into misogyny to make a striking point. That’s why as soon as the novel began to dwell into how Robin and Ramy failed to integrate the constant discrimination that Letty and Victoire experienced in Oxford and everywhere else, it was promptly pushed aside.
And while Letty omitting the very existence of Victoire in her chapter is so simple that it is genius... the whole novel omitted the singularity of Victoire's position in the group as a black woman, always recentering her as a non-white PERSON, not a non-white woman, and always highlighting how she evidently had more in common with her two non-white male peers de facto, so it felt incredibly disingenuous. This is made even worse by Kuang making Robin and Ramy incredibly more egalitarian toward women that men of their times and upbringing would have allowed, perhaps so the uncompromising criticism of Letty's white feminism could resonate without concession, which, again, is disingenuous.
The dissection of capitalism, of the levels of colonial domination, the political confrontations and schemes followed by the brutal disillusions and the repressions that ultimately led to the necessity of violence was often delightful. I wish this would have been given more space in the novel, so it felt like a proper, increasingly more real eruption and less of a sudden explosion. Do not mistake me: the inherent exploitativeness, misery and barbarity of colonialism dripped from the first page of the book, as soon as Lovell arrived in Canton and that suffocating cruelty persisted throughout Robin's childhood then academical instruction. What I wished was for the lingering dread to emerge as raw, uncompromising anger way sooner within the narrative. I needed that transition from martyr to avenger to... something begging for what was lost to happen two hundred pages earlier. But the novel really shone in those moments.
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Racial slurs, Racism, Suicide, Violence, Xenophobia, Death of parent, Murder, and Colonisation
ankan_tove's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Graphic: Body horror, Death, Misogyny, Racism, Cultural appropriation, Colonisation, and Classism
Moderate: Violence and Toxic friendship
Minor: Gun violence, Sexual assault, Slavery, Death of parent, and Alcohol
themoostconfused's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
"That's just what translation is, I think. That's all speaking is. Listening to the other and trying to see past your own biases to glimpse what they're trying to say. Showing yourself to the world, and hoping someone else understands." (pg. 535)
I don't even know where to begin. R. F. Kuang has done it again. She has rattled me, shaken me to my core and I thank her for it. Going into it - having read the entire Poppy War series - I knew I was not bound for a happy, carefree book. Coming from an anthropology background, the extent of human destruction and hatred of "the other" it not news to me but it continues to move me every time.
I can already sense that I will return to this book over and over again in the future and will recommend it to everyone I come across, although not without warning.
The book's alternate title "The Necessity of Violence" captures the journey this book takes one on while reading quite succinctly, althought the extent of this might not seem obvious upon first glance.
In the process I have learned a great deal about linguistics and am planning on dealving into that further. But first I am going to have to digest what I have become witness to by reading this book.
Graphic: Addiction, Body horror, Bullying, Child abuse, Confinement, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Genocide, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Islamophobia, Medical content, Grief, Medical trauma, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, and Deportation
Moderate: Addiction, Alcoholism, Animal cruelty, Body horror, Body shaming, Child abuse, Child death, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Genocide, Gore, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Vomit, Police brutality, Islamophobia, Medical content, Kidnapping, Grief, Religious bigotry, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, and Deportation
Minor: Alcoholism, Body shaming, Bullying, Child abuse, Child death, Confinement, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Genocide, Gore, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Vomit, Police brutality, Islamophobia, Medical content, Trafficking, Kidnapping, Grief, Religious bigotry, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, and Deportation
dragonlilly's review against another edition
4.0
The history of colonization and all that is intertwined within that history is quite thoroughly explored, especially through the ways the characters interact with one another, and the individual difficulties they face as people who are seen as ultimately foreign to England and Europe generally, no matter how long they have lived there or become a part of that land. Yet, we also see the unique difficulties the characters face because of their different phenotypic appearances, genders, races, languages, and religions. So, while our main characters are able to come together to form an immensely strong bond, especially due to the prejudices they face, we can also see how unique all people are generally. Each character came from different parts of the world, grew up differently, and had wholly distinctive experiences that causes them to have their own opinions, biases, and views on the world. This creates conflict in the dear friend group, but they often come back together because they only have one another in the end. I also felt the characterization of these individuals was very consistent, and their actions always seemed to make sense. I liked Ramy instantly, and liked Victoire quite a bit, while the other characters grew on me.
The exploration of translation and etymology, along with the characters and story, was one of my favorite aspects, and the quotes I loved the most from this book all seem to relate to that theme:
Ch. 6 - "'You don't think that an original language exists?' Robin asked.
'Of course I [Richard] don't. The most devout Christians think it does, but you'd think if the Holy Word were so innate and unambiguous, there'd be less debate about its contents'"
Ch. 8 - "'How can we conclude, except by acknowledging that an act of translation is then necessarily always an act of betrayal?'"
Ch. 33 - "The bars were singing, shaking; trying, he thought, to express some unutterable truth about themselves, which was that translation was impossible, that the realm of pure meaning they captured and manifested would and could not ever be known, that the enterprise of this tower had been impossible from inception... Language was just difference. A thousand different ways of seeing, of moving through the world. No; a thousand worlds within one. And translation - a necessary endeavour, however futile, to move between them"
Ch. 33 - "'That's just what translation is, I think. That's all speaking is. Listening to the other and trying to see past your own biases to glimpse what they're trying to say. Showing yourself to the world, and hoping someone else understands.'" - Ramy
(My favorite quote, very likely)
Overall, great book! I just didn't absolutely adore this. I would certainly recommend this to those interested in history, translation, and the uniqueness among people, and those who can handle the slower sections, as I think that can easily bog people down a bit.
Some spoiler notes I wanted to think on:
The reveal of what was in Griffin's note for Robin was very interesting. It seems Robin may have had other brothers in Hermes abroad! That could have been the hope to allow him to live and believe in a future. But maybe it wouldn't have changed his mind either, as all of his love and love for life was somewhat centered upon Ramy. Quite horrifying to think that Richard Lovell was just impregnating possibly dozens of Chinese women though, as this reveal shows.
I enjoyed the picnic conversation between Ramy and Robin that was revealed in the last chapter. While I didn't feel any chemistry beyond solid friendship throughout the story, I thought this scene was very cute. Although, I guess Robin wasn't able to put a name to these feelings either until the end, so I suppose it being hard to notice could make sense, I just wish is was a teeny bit more obvious. I had honestly thought there were hints between Robin and Victoire earlier on, but it must have just been platonic admiration.
Dang it Letty. Yet, I see in how her characterization led to this.
Lots of unexpected moments in the story, mainly the deaths. It certainly captured my interest and made for some fast reading though.
The standoff between Griffin and Sterling Jones was a bit comic, playing on them being the 'main characters' of their own stories at one point and in another book, this would be their ending. I didn't love this scene, just found it a bit funny. But Griffin's death was indeed sad.
Graphic: Child abuse, Confinement, Death, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racism, Sexism, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Colonisation, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Moderate: Addiction, Body horror, Gun violence, Racial slurs, Sexual assault, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Blood, Mass/school shootings, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, War, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Minor: Genocide and Slavery
mo_bookshelves's review
- Strong character development? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Death, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Police brutality, Grief, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Abandonment, Colonisation, War, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Moderate: Drug abuse, Drug use, Panic attacks/disorders, and Slavery
clarkg's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Sexual assault, Suicide, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Toxic friendship, Sexual harassment, Colonisation, War, Classism, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Bullying, Cursing, Death, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Torture, Vomit, Gaslighting, Abandonment, Alcohol, and Injury/Injury detail
laguerrelewis's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
But in all honesty, this is a masterpiece. It is absurd that it works so well on so many levels—but in 2024, it’s anti-colonial call to arms rings the most topical. I was utterly enthralled by this book, and I am glad it is as popular as it is—though I won’t rest until there’s a copy on every shelf!
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Death, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Hate crime, Misogyny, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Grief, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Colonisation, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
Minor: Alcoholism and Self harm