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mrsmishler's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
Graphic: Alcoholism, Alcohol, Rape, War, Torture, Sexual content, Physical abuse, Infidelity, Ableism, Violence, Sexual violence, Child death, Body shaming, Emotional abuse, and Religious bigotry
Minor: Confinement
wallywoahjack's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Graphic: Sexual content, Murder, Incest, Kidnapping, Rape, Sexual violence, Abandonment, Alcohol, Alcoholism, Animal cruelty, Body horror, Bullying, Cannibalism, Child abuse, Classism, Colonisation, Domestic abuse, Fatphobia, Grief, Homophobia, Infidelity, Injury/Injury detail, Racism, Sexual assault, Violence, Body shaming, Slavery, Blood, Cursing, Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Gore, Adult/minor relationship, Death, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Pregnancy, Torture, Toxic relationship, and Vomit
triangular_pascal's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Alcohol, Death, Fatphobia, Murder, Ableism, Abortion, Gaslighting, Adult/minor relationship, Blood, Bullying, Child death, Body shaming, Cannibalism, Kidnapping, Child abuse, Classism, Excrement, Confinement, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Grief, Incest, Infidelity, Medical content, Pregnancy, Rape, Sexual content, Sexual harassment, Slavery, Torture, Toxic relationship, and War
bookworm247's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
Graphic: Death of parent, Murder, War, Sexual content, Death, Incest, Infidelity, Emotional abuse, and Grief
linnylionheart's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
5.0
Graphic: Ableism, Alcohol, Animal death, Cursing, Torture, Dementia, Toxic relationship, Violence, Xenophobia, Death, Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Religious bigotry, Sexual content, Toxic friendship, Blood, Body horror, Cannibalism, Chronic illness, Fatphobia, Grief, Infidelity, Misogyny, Sexism, Addiction, Adult/minor relationship, Alcoholism, Child abuse, Classism, Confinement, Gore, Incest, and Murder
Moderate: Vomit, War, Abortion, Body shaming, Excrement, Injury/Injury detail, Rape, and Abandonment
Minor: Animal cruelty, Bullying, Fire/Fire injury, Medical content, Child death, Infertility, Kidnapping, Miscarriage, Self harm, and Slavery
ninjasunknown's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Alcoholism, Blood, Death, Emotional abuse, Forced institutionalization, Incest, Infidelity, Misogyny, Murder, Rape, Sexism, Sexual violence, and Violence
lilifane's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
I don't have much to say. It's still one of the weakest books in the series. XD
But the character work and atmosphere is still phenomenal so even if the plot is weak (mostly due to this being just half of the book, but also because the character arcs are not satisfying), it's still worth 4 stars. Plus, I really understand everything better and better with every reread.
And the more I understand the characters, their motives and scheming, the more I'm convinced this is all just leading to the plot of Winds of Winter. Which makes everything SO frustrating.
Still not a fan of the iron born. But I love the Jamie chapters (and Sam, Arya, even Alayne) and do really think the Cersei chapters are brilliantly done. Brienne is still somewhere at the bottom, although there are details hidden in her boring journey, so I appreciated it more this time.
Reread No 3, 31.12.2019
Nach dem dritten Lesen muss ich sagen... mir fallen immer noch neue Dinge auf.
Es ist einfach zu krass, welche Details zwischen den Zeilen versteckt sind. Naja, und ein paar Dinge, die einfach schwarz auf weiß dort stehen, aber man sie nur erkennt, wenn man sich wirklich alle Namen scheinbar unwichtiger Charaktere merken kann.
Es war immer das Buch der Reihe, das ich am wenigsten mochte. Nicht, weil Charaktere komplet fehlen, nein. Von den Plots, die da sind, mochte ich einfach sehr viele nicht. Mich haben nie die Ironborn oder Brienne interessiert und die anderen Erzählstränge waren auch eher deprimierend. Das hat sich nun etwas geändert. Ich glaube, das ist der erste Durchlauf, den ich komplett verstanden habe. Ich habe jetzt die Zusammenhänge auf dem Schirm, kann jeden Weg der Protagonisten nachvollziehen, sehe die Fäden, die im Hintergrund von anderen gesponnen werden. Es ist unglaublich faszinierend und ich könnte stundenlang darüber reden.
Aaaaber, der Band ist für mich nicht rund. Er fühlt sich eher wie die Vorbereitung auf einen nächsten Band vor (und damit meine ich Winds of Winter) und hat keinen in sich abgeschlossenen Plot, den die vorangegangenen 3 Bände alle hatten. Es fehlt ein Ereignis, das alle Einzelplots irgendwie vereint. Und einerseits liegt das daran, dass es nunmal die (halbe) Vorbereitung auf Winds of Winter ist. Andererseits daran, dass die Hälfte der Charas fehlt. Es kann hier also keine (thematische) Zusammenführung am Ende geben.
Außerdem sind mir jetzt schon beim Lesen Parallelen zu den Handlungsstängen in Bang 5 aufgefallen und ich persönlich hätte die wirklich gerne in der zunächst geplanten Reihenfolge gelesen, bevor GRRM die Story in Bang 4 und 5 austeilte. Aber das nur aus Neugier, wie es wohl als Ganzes wirken würde. Vermutlich wäre alles noch wirrer, weil die einzelnen PoVs noch stärker auseinandergezogen wären.
Graphic: Body horror, Death, Gore, Confinement, Misogyny, Torture, Violence, Vomit, Blood, Medical content, War, Grief, Infidelity, and Injury/Injury detail