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Making something as overdone as the multiverse not only engaging but also feel high stakes is very impressive. *Be gay, do crime in space* is a genre that doesn’t have to try too hard to be a good time so extra pleasing when it’s this quality

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sadhbh2525's review

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adventurous dark tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

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dejahentendu's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging emotional

Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.5

Wow! What a first novel. I was obsessed with this book, grabbing it to read every moment I had to spare. I'm generally not that interested in war stories any longer, but this was so much more. I don't want to give away too much, but it was rich and full and had varied and realistic reactions to really bad circumstances. This book deserves every iota of attention it's gotten.

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avilareads's review against another edition

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adventurous dark emotional tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

One of the best science fiction novels I have ever read. There are some incredible explorations of bio essentialism, imperialism, revenge, and cult mentality in this. One of the strongest points of this novel is the difficult and harrowing process of de-radicalization and the depths of consequence when it comes to cult programming. such an incredible novel!!!! and queer!!! and emotional!!!! i loved it.

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dreamingandendless's review

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challenging dark reflective medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

Spectacular. Literarily spectacular.
Hateful, loathsome characters and an all-powerful AI meet. Said AI destroyed earth for "the greater good" under the control of a loathsome fuck.
The POV character is a fascist stooge who thinks she is the best around and gobbles the propaganda sent at her. I hated almost everybody in the book. This is the first time that I've read the "they're all loathsome hateful little people" trope.
I don't wanna spoil anything, because I feel like going into it blind is the best way to fully enjoy it.
Some mild spoilers ahead, if you want to get a gist of what the plot is:

Basically, the Edge of Tomorrow (sci fi groundhog Day) but on a universal scale and where the lesson is, that we're all people.

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ceruleanseas's review against another edition

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adventurous challenging dark emotional hopeful reflective sad tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.25

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valjeanval's review against another edition

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adventurous tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

I ended up pretty mixed on this one. At first, I was really bored. The lawful neutral protagonist who can't get a clue in a dystopia that just didn't make any sense.

You want the human race to survive by both training women for war and also relegating them to a breeding harem? And you are controlled breeding people but also have sex as much as you want with the concubines but being gay is not ok? I see the inspiration in other controlled societies, but this one seemed like it shouldn't have lasted 2 years, especially with a leader as lacking in charisma or skills as Jole.

It feels like the message of the book is a good one, but for me that message superseded the actual writing, and made the story as a whole fall a bit flat for me. It still won the Hugo, and while it wouldn't have been my pick, I see why it got the nomination. The aliens are good, the plot once you're off of Gaea station is intriuging, and the pace is sharp. As a rule though, I just kept coming back to the fact that I didn't really enjoy spending time with any of the characters, and that this was one of the dumber dystopias out there, built more to highlight reality's flaws than because it makes sense for the world-building.

So yeah, I'm going with 4 stars because it was better than a lot of things I give three stars, but overall kind of meh.

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just_one_more_paige's review against another edition

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adventurous dark tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

5.0

Look, I have been delaying writing this review - it's been over a week since I finished it - because I am so unconfident in my ability to do it, and my feelings about it, justice. Immediately after finishing, I waxed poetic about it enough that my partner now has it on his bedside table, planning to read it (which rarely happens...this novel is an example of a perfectly placed slice of our overlapping interests). And I wish someone had recorded what I said in that monologue, becasue I am struggling to (re)find the right words (or even those long-winded, but at least remotely representative, words) now. But, as I'm me, I'm going to try anyways.

Calling on Goodreads for the assist with this blurb: "All her life Kyr has trained for the day she can avenge the murder of planet Earth. Raised in the bowels of Gaea Station alongside the last scraps of humanity, she readies herself to face the Wisdom, the all-powerful, reality-shaping weapon that gave the Majoda their victory over humanity. They are what’s left. They are what must survive. Kyr is one of the best warriors of her generation, the sword of a dead planet. But when Command assigns her brother to certain death and relegates her to the nursery to bear sons until she dies trying, she knows she must take humanity’s revenge into her own hands. Alongside her brother’s brilliant but seditious friend and a lonely, captive alien, she escapes from everything she’s ever known into a universe far more complicated than she was taught and far more wondrous than she could have imagined."

This novel is one of the most absolutely fantastic things I've ever read. It is so unique and creative and nuanced, not in a general sense (this story of Earth and its people entering into a larger “space” community/governmental system has been told many times, it captures all imaginations), but in the details. The details, the path the story takes (and takes again, and then takes one more time), is completely its own. It took so many unexpected turns! Like, every time-bending jump involved both the obvious *and* twists that caught me unawares. There were so many subversions of what I expect from sci-fi (Tesh never shied away from making the hardest/ugliest calls) and yet it was also so clearly and recognizably what makes the genre a classic. I purposefully slowed down my reading of this to savor every moment.

And through it all there were a few themes that just hit, over and over and over. The cycle of violence is strong and present. And, of course and as always (because it's too unrealistic to not have a dystopian-tyle situation that doesn't highlight this), no matter what the situation and setting and time period, a woman's worth is always brought down to her ability to reproduce which is then (of course) never taken as seriously as other societal contributions, *despite( all supposed argument to the contrary. My god it’s depressing. Is a people/future worth the full loss of reproductive self/determination? Is anything worth that? Also, the trauma is...a lot. But I enjoyed the exploration of the way that everyone responds differently to it, made manifest on a scale so grand it’s honestly unimaginable (the destruction of Earth).

I loved Tesh's choice to make our MC, Kyr, mostly deeply unlikable...without excuse. And yes, as the story goes, she develops and learns and gets angry and decides to make herself different...and yet she never does dwell much in regret for who she was or the place that made her. It was pragmatic and unapologetic AF. That POV is not a popular one - not quite a hero, not quite a villian, just a product of an environment and a harsh coming of age - and the nuances with which Tesh wrote it were spectacular. By the end, I was both cheering for Kyr and still hesitant to trust her new presentation. What literary finesse. Many of the side characters get their own complex journeys and growth. I particularly loved-to-dislike, similar to Kyr herself, Ari and Cleo. And I appreciated what Max and Yisa brought to the development of the plot and Kyr herself, though they were less compelling to me, individually. This was definitely a novel carried by the less likable characters - the space they took up was large and loud - and I have always loved reading that style of character. And I really liked the way that, in every possible iteration of a life, Tesh made the core of a person that shines through - perseverance and evil/power-hungry will find their ways, no matter the individual circumstances or difference. A nice touch.

Let's see... I took a lot of random notes while reading and want to way all the things, but some don't really fit with anything else. So, I'm going to lump a bunch here. First, I had some real Ender's Game vibes, from the militaristic society of Gaea and the VR game-style training (and then the ways it's used later/beyond that). Though the brainwashing/cultishness in this book definitely takes the cake for "worse." Ooff. Gaea is what I imagine the world would be like if all the “math/science are all that matter” people won and there was no more space/funding for arts and literature - cold and heartless and uninspired. The world needs a bit of it all, to be full and meaningful. I am always here for sci-fi that is quality but not based on “real” science - that’s my sweet spot, I can just sink in and it’s not trying to hard to be believable, it just is (like great fantasy, which is my original comfort genre). The world-building was solid, even without Tesh burying the readers in all the specs on how the science worked, thankfully. (And actually, as she writes in the Acknowledgements/Afterwards, the shadowspace "science" is pretty much made-up, so no specs even exist. Lovely.) The way that the meaning of “we’re Earth’s children and while we live, the enemy will fear us” evolves over the course of the novel is super well done.

This felt, to me like the in-between of Martine's A Memory Called Empire and A Desolation Called Peace (which have similar intensity/seriousness vibes, with higher levels of technicality and world-building, but possibly less creative twists and more distant character development) and The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet (which is softer/homier, and less intense on storyline, but similar space opera and science/world vibes). Oh, with a splash of the different world iterations from The Space Between Worlds and some similar vibes, though I can't quite put my finger on how, to The Vanished Birds. Along with Ender's Game, I would say they are not necessarily readalikes, but I'd recommend each to others who have enjoyed one of them already. Does that make any sense? Anyways...

I appreciate a view of humanity from the external like this, distilling things we think make us unique and special into elements that are hard to be proud of, heartbreaking truths that you don’t want to believe and would be easier to turn away from and ignore cognitive dissonance from, but are necessary to face head on, in order to recognize where we can/should work to be better. I’m always impressed with authors who can step outside and be observational like that and Tesh is exemplary on that front here. Overall, this was just an epic in three parts, spectacular and mind-bending and absolutely stellar (pun intended). I highly recommend this one.

While we live, the enemy shall fear us.

“Proving you were capable of saving the world didn’t mean you could, or that anyone would let you.”

“It is perhaps best to understand honor as operating optionally and on the individual level, while the authoritative driving forces of human military design work perpetually on the most ruthless calculus of cost and benefit.”

“A peace brought about with the threat of violence is only a war in waiting.”

“Kyr felt suddenly and forcefully the weight of legacy. [...] she owed her duty not to some abstract unknown planet but to the women who'd come before her.”

“What a waste it was, what a terrible waste, to take a person who dreamed cities and gardens and enormous shining skies and teach him that the only answer to an unanswerable suffering was slaughter.”

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