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They Never Learn by Layne Fargo

32 reviews

rickireadss's review

5.0

WOMEN. I. LOVE. WOMEN. especially when they’re murderous. i loved how the main plot twist was revealed halfway through but i was still on the edge of my seat for the last half, and almost MORE SO because of it being revealed so early. 10/10 recommend & i can’t wait to read her other book “temper”!!

⚠️: murder, violence, sexual assault, sexual violence, rape, death, bullying, stalking, domestic abuse, emotional abuse, adult/minor relationship, panic attacks, drug abuse, drugging, alcohol, fire/fire injury, injury/injury detail, body horror, suicide, suicide attempt, infidelity

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crushedvelvet's review against another edition

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dark medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.0

They Never Learn is a serviceable, misandrist (said with affection) thriller. It follows Carly Schiller and Scarlett Clark. The former a closeted, mousy freshman from a troubled home. The latter an English professor by day, and a feminist vigilante by night.

The book tries to tackle a smorsgasbord of issues. Domestic abuse, grooming, groping, rape, revenge porn, stalking, voyeurism... And the rape culture and victim blaming that enables and tacitly encourages it. It juggles so many topics that it fails to make time for contemplating their nature. The analysis starts and stops at "men suck" and "these things are bad" (which is true!). But I wish it spent time scrutinizing the norms and systems that enable predatory men to thrive.

Every character felt flat to me. Carly went from the good girl™️ archetype in YA to

a belligerent, sadistic burgeoning killer

. It was jarring & didn't feel organic. Nothing in her prior characterization hinted at even a kernel of this residing in her.

And as for Scarlett... She feels like a concept, not a person. Like if someone thought "what if Dexter was a woman and she went after predatory men?" & ran with it. Never stopping to consider who she is outside of that. Shes curvy, redheaded, kinda bitchy, she hates men... That's it. Whether it is bloodlust or injustice that compels her to kill switched from scene to scene. Whatever the plot needed at the time.

AND her relationship with Jasper, a student, just made her feel like a raging hypocrite to me. Regardless of him being a possessive freak.

On the topic of the plot, I've never read a thriller that failed to, y'know, thrill me. It was oddly devoid of suspense. The opening kill was lame and so were the following ones. The most intense twist is

Carly & Scarlett being the same person.

Great read for people who walked away from Gone Girl or Midsommar and thought "good for her".

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chughes5's review against another edition

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dark emotional mysterious tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

The best book I've read all year! I was hooked from the beginning and never knew what would happen next.

I'm so glad there was a happy sapphic ending that we never got in Killing Eve.

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melchncookies's review

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dark mysterious tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.0

What a great, terrible and scary story! There’s a couple really great twists that I didn’t quite see coming. The narrators were perfect choices for the audiobook.

Carly is a good girl who discovers sexual freedom. Scarlett is fantastic feminist serial killer. Eventually their worlds collide, but not in the way you’d expect.

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nandakandabooks's review against another edition

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dark reflective medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? No

4.0

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alilbitofeveryth1ng's review against another edition

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fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

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tbretc's review against another edition

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dark mysterious tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

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msradiosilence's review against another edition

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dark emotional mysterious reflective tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.0

TLDR; 3 rating, I love women’s wrongs, I love queer women, but there is something missing here.

Content warnings at the bottom. :)

I am a sucker for bisexual female main characters, and this one kills men who hurt women?? It sounded so far up my alley. I went in hoping Scarlett and Carly would team up and take down all the horrible men on Gorman’s campus but that’s just…not exactly what happened.

So Scarlett and Carly are the same person. I figured that out just a little bit before the reveal, so cheers!

I really appreciated Carly’s arc, but because the time was ambiguous, the four or five page chapters and then the switches back and forth between Carly and Scarlett did give me whiplash in a few places. I understand why (to keep you on the edge of your seats during tense moments) but there was something lost in the back and forth.

I’ve seen a lot of people complain about how there’s quite literally a single man in this book who is a genuinely good guy, and it’s sort of explained away because he’s gay. I think people pointing this out are missing the fact that Scarlett is a horrendously unreliable narrator. Someone described this as genderbent American Psycho, and while I’ve never read that book, I’ve seen plenty of reviewers who bite back at incel misogynists who look up to Patrick Bateman enough to realize that the comparison is likely an apt one. Scarlett is so consumed with her belief that men ain’t shit, and while it’s very likely the men she kills haven’t committed crimes egregious enough for the reader to sentence them to death, Scarlett’s had enough. She reads a lot into situations, often colored by her own trauma, and since this is from her perspective, we should take her observations with a grain of salt (in most cases). With the exception of Drew, all the men in this book read as horrible predators, and we as the audience only have Scarlett to rely on until another character confirms it (Mina with Kinnear,

Mikayla with Jasper

, jury’s still out on Stright). But whether you believe Scarlett or not, the point is she’s unreliable, but these men are still pretty awful.

And that’s the point, isn’t it? It’s a cautionary tale against trust, because it’s not always the ones you don’t know. Scarlett is a dream, and one that I’ve heard quite a few of my friends echo. Because even in the year of our lorde 2023, the doctors and the deans in Carly’s storyline are still saying the same shit. I saw it happen in undergrad to friends of mine. We have a long, long way to go before the events in this book are only the work of fiction.

Anyway. I thought the book was fine but it didn’t change my life. So, solid three stars.

Rating: 3

Would I recommend? A tentative yes, but mostly for the TWs and content.

Content warnings: Graphic: Fire, Sexual violence, Stalking, Death, Emotional abuse, Misogyny, Gore, Grief, Sexism, Cursing, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Injury/Injury detail, Medical content (about sexual assault), Sexual content (on page, consensual), Sexual harassment, Blood, Infidelity, Medical trauma, Mental illness, Murder, Sexual assault, and Violence. Moderate: Death of parent, Rape (mentioned, not on page), Alcohol, Domestic abuse, and Suicide (mentioned). Minor: Torture (mentioned), Car accident, and Drug use

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befnie's review against another edition

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fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Plot
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.0

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purplenoodlepie's review against another edition

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dark tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? No

3.0

CHECK TRIGGER WARNINGS BEFORE READING THIS!!!!!!!
Fast paced read. I found Carly extremely annoying and pathetic - which I guess is the point. She behaves like a high schooler, not someone in college. Overall story is fine. Unbelievable in parts. Wasn't as good as I was expecting.

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