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ghoulgalpal's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Death, and War
Moderate: Homophobia and Transphobia
Minor: Sexual assault
yourbookishbff's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
This sequel to She Who Became the Sun (and conclusion to the duology ) is even darker than its predecessor - you've been warned, reader. This is, again, a nuanced exploration of gender and gender identity, sexual orientation, and experiences of dysphoria and internalized transphobia and homophobia - and also war.
Our character foils from book one, Zhu and General Ouyang, orbit each other even more closely in this installment, and I was fascinated to see the ways in which they aided and betrayed one another. I was surprised by how much time we spend with Wang Baoxiang, and didn't anticipate how central his storyline would become, but I honestly loved how the threads came together and how his story intersects with Zhu and General Ouyang. And never fear, because my favorite side character from book one, Ma, becomes pivotal in the final act, and I was so delighted to see how she influences the course of the narrative.
Though this book was exceedingly dark with significant on-page trauma (including rape, sexual violence, miscarriage and abortion, in addition to murder and war), these scenes felt intentional more than gratuitous, as Parker-Chan examines the intersections of revenge, sex, pain and violence in compelling and devastating ways.
Our character foils from book one, Zhu and General Ouyang, orbit each other even more closely in this installment, and I was fascinated to see the ways in which they aided and betrayed one another. I was surprised by how much time we spend with Wang Baoxiang, and didn't anticipate how central his storyline would become, but I honestly loved how the threads came together and how his story intersects with Zhu and General Ouyang. And never fear, because my favorite side character from book one, Ma, becomes pivotal in the final act, and I was so delighted to see how she influences the course of the narrative.
Though this book was exceedingly dark with significant on-page trauma (including rape, sexual violence, miscarriage and abortion, in addition to murder and war), these scenes felt intentional more than gratuitous, as Parker-Chan examines the intersections of revenge, sex, pain and violence in compelling and devastating ways.
I appreciated how Parker-Chan brings into this morally grey, violent hell scape earnest discussions of living authentically. Our characters each have a different vision of what it might mean to rule, and Zhu and Ma offer insight into what it might look like to create new ways of being yourself in a world that wasn't built for you. They dream of a world existing outside the binaries that have restricted them, and have to continually decide which sacrifices are worthy of this cause. The symbolic contrasting lights and shadows of the mandate, and the ability to see ghosts, layer into this vision of remaking new life and new light from death and darkness.
I felt the story was surprisingly well-paced (given its length), and there were significant landmark scenes throughout that will haunt me for some time (sailing through ghosts?! IYKYK).
Because of how graphically violent and dark this duology is, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to all fantasy readers, but I would absolutely recommend for those who love historical fantasy, historical retellings, speculative fiction, gender+bent history, and queer retellings with deeply (deeply) morally gray characters.
I felt the story was surprisingly well-paced (given its length), and there were significant landmark scenes throughout that will haunt me for some time (sailing through ghosts?! IYKYK).
Because of how graphically violent and dark this duology is, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to all fantasy readers, but I would absolutely recommend for those who love historical fantasy, historical retellings, speculative fiction, gender+bent history, and queer retellings with deeply (deeply) morally gray characters.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Blood, Death, War, Misogyny, Rape, Sexual assault, Ableism, Classism, Murder, Outing, Abortion, Grief, Sexual violence, and Miscarriage
Moderate: Gore, Dysphoria, Infidelity, Confinement, and Body shaming
saucy_bookdragon's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
reflective
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
"The most dangerous person in a game is the one nobody knows is playing."
Absolutely GAGGED!
He Who Drowned the World is how you write a fucking sequel! A darker chapter in this duology, it has higher stakes, beautiful writing, and puts the characters into a metaphorical centrifuge that spins around and shows their rich layers. It's also queer as fuck, especially Zhu and Ouyang are playing some 3D levels of gender. Overall, the Radiant Emperor duology is a layered, nail biting, queer, epic fantasy with a full cast of blorbos!
Some spoiler-y semi-coherent thoughts, including spoilers for the ending:
- Ouyang, my poor little meow meow since book one. His arc was the best in this. Beginning still antagonistic and self hating, the latter of which reflects in how he treats other people, especially his misogyny. But through his relationship with Zhu, he grew so much as person and finally saw someone who had similar gender fuckery to himself, but had a sense of pride. It lead to such an interesting redemption arc that made it hurt all the more when he died.
- Zhu is an icon, she is the moment. I found it really interesting how she could see who people actually were and how part of that is because she understands that gender is a social construct, and so sees people for who they are, not who their genders say they are. This gaze in particular is what changes Ouyang, as she treats him for who he really is. With all that said, she also did get a lot of people killed and her loved ones hurt and it made the ending hit so hard, being her choosing to stop this cycle of violence. RIP Xa Du and Ouyang ;_;
- all the book's commentary on gender is so relevant. Internalized misogyny, the way people in the LGBTQ+ community will hate on less visible identities in a sad attempt to seem respectable, the complexity of gender, the importance of seeing people beyond what society says about them, choosing your own name and destiny, etc. This is more than a book with queer representation, it's a book about queerness!
- Baoxiang was a fascinating antagonist. Taking Ouyang's place from book one, he's now the villain who's in love with Esen. And he is so much worse than Ouyang. Though I understand why he did what he did, I can't quite like him like I do Zhu and Ouyang. He kind of boils my blood actually, especially with how he treated Ma. It was so powerful though how at the end he's told to find a new name and how that fits the theme of finding your own destiny and the way that applies to trans experiences. God this book is so queer I love it!
- Ma deserved more page time. She was so important in book one which ended with the grounds for conflict between her and Zhu. She took a backseat for most of this until the ending, but I never felt satisfied by her arc like I did with the others. And though she does get page time towards the end, the last 80 pages aren't as well paced as the rest of the book. It was like the ending was being dragged out but also not given enough time to settle everything.
Absolutely GAGGED!
He Who Drowned the World is how you write a fucking sequel! A darker chapter in this duology, it has higher stakes, beautiful writing, and puts the characters into a metaphorical centrifuge that spins around and shows their rich layers. It's also queer as fuck, especially Zhu and Ouyang are playing some 3D levels of gender. Overall, the Radiant Emperor duology is a layered, nail biting, queer, epic fantasy with a full cast of blorbos!
Some spoiler-y semi-coherent thoughts, including spoilers for the ending:
- Ouyang, my poor little meow meow since book one. His arc was the best in this. Beginning still antagonistic and self hating, the latter of which reflects in how he treats other people, especially his misogyny. But through his relationship with Zhu, he grew so much as person and finally saw someone who had similar gender fuckery to himself, but had a sense of pride. It lead to such an interesting redemption arc that made it hurt all the more when he died.
- Zhu is an icon, she is the moment. I found it really interesting how she could see who people actually were and how part of that is because she understands that gender is a social construct, and so sees people for who they are, not who their genders say they are. This gaze in particular is what changes Ouyang, as she treats him for who he really is. With all that said, she also did get a lot of people killed and her loved ones hurt and it made the ending hit so hard, being her choosing to stop this cycle of violence. RIP Xa Du and Ouyang ;_;
- all the book's commentary on gender is so relevant. Internalized misogyny, the way people in the LGBTQ+ community will hate on less visible identities in a sad attempt to seem respectable, the complexity of gender, the importance of seeing people beyond what society says about them, choosing your own name and destiny, etc. This is more than a book with queer representation, it's a book about queerness!
- Baoxiang was a fascinating antagonist. Taking Ouyang's place from book one, he's now the villain who's in love with Esen. And he is so much worse than Ouyang. Though I understand why he did what he did, I can't quite like him like I do Zhu and Ouyang. He kind of boils my blood actually, especially with how he treated Ma. It was so powerful though how at the end he's told to find a new name and how that fits the theme of finding your own destiny and the way that applies to trans experiences. God this book is so queer I love it!
- Ma deserved more page time. She was so important in book one which ended with the grounds for conflict between her and Zhu. She took a backseat for most of this until the ending, but I never felt satisfied by her arc like I did with the others. And though she does get page time towards the end, the last 80 pages aren't as well paced as the rest of the book. It was like the ending was being dragged out but also not given enough time to settle everything.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Rape, Misogyny, and War
Moderate: Pregnancy
shibh's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
hopeful
mysterious
reflective
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
A bittersweet end to the duology. These books look at gender and the human experience of it in a way that has left me feeling exposed and crying. In a good way though.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual harassment, Slavery, Violence, Grief, Physical abuse, Self harm, Injury/Injury detail, Abandonment, Animal death, Homophobia, Body shaming, Classism, Emotional abuse, Kidnapping, Medical content, Sexual assault, Ableism, Animal cruelty, Bullying, Domestic abuse, Murder, Abortion, Confinement, Genocide, Mental illness, Miscarriage, Rape, Lesbophobia, Addiction, Misogyny, Child death, Colonisation, Dysphoria, Gore, Infertility, Pregnancy, Blood, Body horror, Cursing, Death, Infidelity, Toxic relationship, Child abuse, Pandemic/Epidemic, War, Vomit, Xenophobia, Sexism, Transphobia, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, and Torture
rongrong's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Knocked my socks off. Deeply dark, violent, sad - almost all of the characters carry trauma and inflict trauma on others. Ma was kind of the first ray of light in many hours of listening. The deaths and betrayals all felt true to the characters and the direction of the story. Everyone is flawed. Zhu’s determination has been admirable for so long, but here she experiences the strongest emotions of her life. Her ability to change and to deeply reflect on who she is and how her actions and decisions align with her identity expanded after those experiences of strong emotion. Ma’s explanation of the gift of following and the gift of belief in the one you followed was critical, and the changes in Zhu that allowed changes in the direction of fate really saved it all at the end. Narrator’s pronunciation was sometimes great and other times kind of stilted and distracting, but overall wonderful narration. Very grateful that the author chose to end Ouyang’s story in this way. Also Zhu’s and Ma’s. What a gift this author has, to write at so many miles deeper than Harry Potter book 7 levels of dark, and to make it so compelling to read on and learn what comes next, and next, and then.
Content Warnings
Moderate: Rape, Torture, Kidnapping, Murder, and War
qito1706's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Misogyny, Sexual violence, Slavery, Death, Sexism, Murder, Self harm, Homophobia, Suicidal thoughts, War, and Sexual assault
isi__1's review against another edition
challenging
dark
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.25
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Sexual violence, Domestic abuse, Self harm, War, and Sexual assault
Moderate: Miscarriage, Torture, and Rape
Minor: Suicidal thoughts
lorayray's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
mysterious
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
The graphic violence and sexual assault scenes nearly made me DNF about… 3 times. It took away from the beautiful writing and other enjoyable aspects of the book. I’m not sure if the story was worth it in the end - it was a good story, but it was quite graphic.
Content Warnings
Graphic: War, Sexual assault, Torture, Rape, Sexual violence, and Self harm
laurareads87's review against another edition
challenging
dark
hopeful
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
5.0
My first five star fiction of 2024 is He Who Drowned The World, the sequel to the excellent She Who Became the Sun. Set in mid-1300s China, this book picks up where its predecessor left off (and, helpfully, includes a very brief overview of where the previous book left the main characters). The book follows several characters vying for the imperial throne and, with it, the ability to shape the future in which they all live. The plot moves quickly, but for me the character work is what really shines here; the characters are multi-faceted and complex and the subtleties of their shifting motivations and relationships are extraordinarily well developed. Themes of cisnormativity and heteronormativity - particularly how their ideologies are internalized and wielded by those they most harm - are handled so skillfully; this was an emotional read, and is the kind of queer historical fantasy I want to read.
In comparison, to the first book, the sequel is definitely heavier in tone; I would also say that the fantasy elements figure more prominently. Having read the first book is vital to reading this one.
Content warnings: War, violence, murder, blood, injury detail, ableism, internalized homophobia, sexism/misogyny, death of a child, drowning, suicidal thoughts, self-harm, torture, rape (several instances, in one case described in some detail on-page), animal cruelty & death. This book is not easy reading. It is not the most graphic by any means, but violence is absolutely pervasive throughout and the author's skill means that the content is deeply impactful.
In comparison, to the first book, the sequel is definitely heavier in tone; I would also say that the fantasy elements figure more prominently. Having read the first book is vital to reading this one.
Content warnings: War, violence, murder, blood, injury detail, ableism, internalized homophobia, sexism/misogyny, death of a child, drowning, suicidal thoughts, self-harm, torture, rape (several instances, in one case described in some detail on-page), animal cruelty & death. This book is not easy reading. It is not the most graphic by any means, but violence is absolutely pervasive throughout and the author's skill means that the content is deeply impactful.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual violence, War, Blood, Violence, Self harm, Injury/Injury detail, Ableism, Sexism, Sexual assault, Suicidal thoughts, Rape, and Misogyny
Minor: Animal death, Animal cruelty, and Child death
grace_b_3's review against another edition
dark
emotional
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Torture, Rape, Murder, Grief, Violence, Transphobia, Sexual content, Self harm, Infidelity, War, Physical abuse, Injury/Injury detail, and Gore