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ellen_is_reading's review against another edition
adventurous
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual content, Fire/Fire injury, Murder, Injury/Injury detail, Violence, and Physical abuse
Minor: Drug use
erynlasbelin's review against another edition
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
This book sorely needed an editor. And maybe a cowriter. Someone to shape the overall ideas of the story into something coherent. But at the very, very least, a strong editing pass.
The writing was clunky and repetitive, the author used words whose meanings she clearly didn't understand, and the logistics of what was supposed to be physically happening (especially during battle scenes) were often difficult to follow. The smut wasn't bad, but was outweighed by the endless stream of horny thoughts every single time the two main characters interacted with each other, even when they're supposed to be in dire circumstances or experiencing emotional devastation. The worldbuilding was weak as fuck and seemed to be made up on the spot throughout the book. The way the "war college" works doesn't stand up to even the slightest amount of scrutiny - why would they want to relentlessly kill off all their able-bodied young soldiers when they're at war? Luckily, given the death toll, other than maybe 3 of the main characters, no one has a personality at all; best friends, squad mates, teachers, and family members are basically cardboard cutouts with little to no identity. And while Violet herself is the best-developed of the bunch, it has to be said that her motivations simply aren't there. Other than ~proving people wrong~ once she's there, there is no explanation for why she would commit herself to fighting herself into a violent and early death, when she's given multiple opportunities to go back to the life she always wanted and planned for. She never thinks about the future at all.
All that being said, it was a quick read, and I do wonder where the story is going next. Future books could be good pulp romantasy fun if given the kind of editing they need. My one bit of praise is that I appreciate the hEDS representation, and that she receives accommodations for it. I have literally never seen this aspect of myself reflected in a book before (although I know of another one coming out soon!) and that element was genuinely well done.
The writing was clunky and repetitive, the author used words whose meanings she clearly didn't understand, and the logistics of what was supposed to be physically happening (especially during battle scenes) were often difficult to follow. The smut wasn't bad, but was outweighed by the endless stream of horny thoughts every single time the two main characters interacted with each other, even when they're supposed to be in dire circumstances or experiencing emotional devastation. The worldbuilding was weak as fuck and seemed to be made up on the spot throughout the book. The way the "war college" works doesn't stand up to even the slightest amount of scrutiny - why would they want to relentlessly kill off all their able-bodied young soldiers when they're at war? Luckily, given the death toll, other than maybe 3 of the main characters, no one has a personality at all; best friends, squad mates, teachers, and family members are basically cardboard cutouts with little to no identity. And while Violet herself is the best-developed of the bunch, it has to be said that her motivations simply aren't there. Other than ~proving people wrong~ once she's there, there is no explanation for why she would commit herself to fighting herself into a violent and early death, when she's given multiple opportunities to go back to the life she always wanted and planned for. She never thinks about the future at all.
All that being said, it was a quick read, and I do wonder where the story is going next. Future books could be good pulp romantasy fun if given the kind of editing they need. My one bit of praise is that I appreciate the hEDS representation, and that she receives accommodations for it. I have literally never seen this aspect of myself reflected in a book before (although I know of another one coming out soon!) and that element was genuinely well done.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Cursing, Injury/Injury detail, Ableism, Medical content, Murder, Chronic illness, and Violence
Moderate: Bullying, War, Animal death, Gaslighting, Grief, Mental illness, Blood, Death of parent, Death, Fire/Fire injury, and Physical abuse
Minor: Alcohol, Toxic friendship, Toxic relationship, Drug use, and Terminal illness
_rowantree_'s review against another edition
adventurous
fast-paced
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual content, War, Blood, Death, Injury/Injury detail, Toxic friendship, Violence, Ableism, Cursing, Death of parent, and Grief
Minor: Alcohol and Drug use
eberzy's review against another edition
adventurous
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Well that was an absolute vibe.
Unique world and storyline complete with all of those addictive tropes. Was the mind to mind communication, segregated career school, shadow-wielding powers, and tattooed bodies among other things unoriginal? Absolutely, but they all make sense to the world in a way that is acceptable to me. The dragon abilities and banter are unexpectedly awesome. Love the chronic illness representation. There were and are a lot of kept secrets and hidden clues that made this so fun to read and set up a lot of excitement for the rest of this series. This will be a fun one to theorize about. Pre-ordered the next book even before finishing.
Unique world and storyline complete with all of those addictive tropes. Was the mind to mind communication, segregated career school, shadow-wielding powers, and tattooed bodies among other things unoriginal? Absolutely, but they all make sense to the world in a way that is acceptable to me. The dragon abilities and banter are unexpectedly awesome. Love the chronic illness representation. There were and are a lot of kept secrets and hidden clues that made this so fun to read and set up a lot of excitement for the rest of this series. This will be a fun one to theorize about. Pre-ordered the next book even before finishing.
Content Warnings
Moderate: Blood, Chronic illness, Bullying, Death of parent, Violence, Injury/Injury detail, and Toxic friendship
Minor: War, Body shaming, Drug use, and Grief
athenian_frog's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
1.0
*I listened to the audiobook for most of this story before reading the rest online*
+ Besides voicing the bigger male dragon, the audiobook was solid. The feminine narrator did a great job communicating emotion in action and during tense scenes.
+ The action scenes were fun to read, usually.
+ the actual concept with dragons, dragon bonding, was actually pretty interesting!
Other than that, I had a hard time finishing the book :(
- The characters just don’t do that much growing, if ANY. The main character’s motivation to change her study trajectory is purely out of being forced to go training by her mother. I saw very little organic self motivation to become a dragon rider until the latter half of the book. The side characters were also not fleshed out at ALL.
- we never find out why the mother wanted to send the main character, who suffers from chronic pain, to try and ride a dragon. I don’t know why she spent so long letting her daughter train as a scribe before suddenly making another decision.
- we don’t get to know the main character at all outside of the war college, which ends up setting no precedent to what she was like before entering a life changing, dangerous experience (a good set up for character development that was NOT taken)
- There were several opportunities to add depth to the story and characters and Yarros took none of them.
- LGBTQIA+ people and people of color are included but they have very little substance to them.
- In fact, the guy who wants Violet (protagonist) dead the most doesn’t even seem to have a proper reason to want to kill her; he is just evil like that, I guess?
- Conceptualizing the world was very difficult, because we as the reader have 0 help except through awkward information dumping. It feels very tedious to read, and it still leaves a lot to be desired. I can’t even tell you what kind of technological period they’re in. Religion is also very underdeveloped.
- the other quadrants (healing, scribing, infantry) were very underutilized, and were not very detailed
- the protagonist seems stupendously lucky. Will not spoil here but expect major chosen one/main character privileges. She is constantly complimented for being the smartest, but we see very little evidence of this.
- while at a killing school, in a culture that is weirdly very permissive of killing, Violet is extremely sensitive about killing people! Not even innocents, people who are ACTIVELY trying to end her life.
- Violet is disabled but this disability is rarely mentioned, and its applications are barely referenced. There is a consensus of “pushing through” your disability to prevail instead of working with it, which feels a bit insensitive.
- there are enough cliche’s and contrivances in the book where it starts to hurt the “turn off your brain to have fun” experience, even. Many elements are foreshadowed in a poor/hamfisted way, and conflict often feels artificially incited/blown up.
- we know very little about supporting cast and how they each became close to Violet is not very well developed.
- the romance between Violet and her love interest is plainly just lust. I found very little emotional connection between them before the story was trying to pass it off as a deep, swoon worthy romance. On top of all of my issues with Violet, this made the sex scenes impossible to care for. This is part of a multi book series, so some time to stretch out the romance emotionally would have done wonders.
- romance and romantic scenes involve a lot of emphasis on skinny, pale, fragile main woman and the big, tan, intimidating male love interest. The reminders that he could hurt her were overused and not appealing. Personally I have grown tired of this dynamic. I would have liked to see them working together more/Violet making smart moves ahead of him/them actually BONDING in not a strictly sexual sense.
- calling this enemies to lovers is generous. The main pairing certainly had the potential to be enemies but it’s more like “bad first impression to lovers”
All in all, I desperately wanted to enjoy this book. It looks beautiful and I was very excited to read something involving dragons for the first time in a looooong time. The issues kept mounting and eventually it made flaws that were less noticeable glaringly evident.
If you loved this book I’m overjoyed for you! It’s a really cool concept, and I’ve heard others who are able to overlook most of this to just sit in the vibes.
I just think that this FANTASY ROMANCE really could have used more work in all aspects of FANTASY and ROMANCE. Both were so undeveloped here that it was almost disrespectful. On top of that, it is geared towards a “New Adult,” older than YA audience, so I was expecting at least a LITTLE more nuance here.
Thank you for reading my two cents!
Please consider the warnings listed below!
+ Besides voicing the bigger male dragon, the audiobook was solid. The feminine narrator did a great job communicating emotion in action and during tense scenes.
+ The action scenes were fun to read, usually.
+ the actual concept with dragons, dragon bonding, was actually pretty interesting!
Other than that, I had a hard time finishing the book :(
- The characters just don’t do that much growing, if ANY. The main character’s motivation to change her study trajectory is purely out of being forced to go training by her mother. I saw very little organic self motivation to become a dragon rider until the latter half of the book. The side characters were also not fleshed out at ALL.
- we never find out why the mother wanted to send the main character, who suffers from chronic pain, to try and ride a dragon. I don’t know why she spent so long letting her daughter train as a scribe before suddenly making another decision.
- we don’t get to know the main character at all outside of the war college, which ends up setting no precedent to what she was like before entering a life changing, dangerous experience (a good set up for character development that was NOT taken)
- There were several opportunities to add depth to the story and characters and Yarros took none of them.
- LGBTQIA+ people and people of color are included but they have very little substance to them.
- In fact, the guy who wants Violet (protagonist) dead the most doesn’t even seem to have a proper reason to want to kill her; he is just evil like that, I guess?
- Conceptualizing the world was very difficult, because we as the reader have 0 help except through awkward information dumping. It feels very tedious to read, and it still leaves a lot to be desired. I can’t even tell you what kind of technological period they’re in. Religion is also very underdeveloped.
- the other quadrants (healing, scribing, infantry) were very underutilized, and were not very detailed
- the protagonist seems stupendously lucky. Will not spoil here but expect major chosen one/main character privileges. She is constantly complimented for being the smartest, but we see very little evidence of this.
- while at a killing school, in a culture that is weirdly very permissive of killing, Violet is extremely sensitive about killing people! Not even innocents, people who are ACTIVELY trying to end her life.
- Violet is disabled but this disability is rarely mentioned, and its applications are barely referenced. There is a consensus of “pushing through” your disability to prevail instead of working with it, which feels a bit insensitive.
- there are enough cliche’s and contrivances in the book where it starts to hurt the “turn off your brain to have fun” experience, even. Many elements are foreshadowed in a poor/hamfisted way, and conflict often feels artificially incited/blown up.
- we know very little about supporting cast and how they each became close to Violet is not very well developed.
- the romance between Violet and her love interest is plainly just lust. I found very little emotional connection between them before the story was trying to pass it off as a deep, swoon worthy romance. On top of all of my issues with Violet, this made the sex scenes impossible to care for. This is part of a multi book series, so some time to stretch out the romance emotionally would have done wonders.
- romance and romantic scenes involve a lot of emphasis on skinny, pale, fragile main woman and the big, tan, intimidating male love interest. The reminders that he could hurt her were overused and not appealing. Personally I have grown tired of this dynamic. I would have liked to see them working together more/Violet making smart moves ahead of him/them actually BONDING in not a strictly sexual sense.
- calling this enemies to lovers is generous. The main pairing certainly had the potential to be enemies but it’s more like “bad first impression to lovers”
All in all, I desperately wanted to enjoy this book. It looks beautiful and I was very excited to read something involving dragons for the first time in a looooong time. The issues kept mounting and eventually it made flaws that were less noticeable glaringly evident.
If you loved this book I’m overjoyed for you! It’s a really cool concept, and I’ve heard others who are able to overlook most of this to just sit in the vibes.
I just think that this FANTASY ROMANCE really could have used more work in all aspects of FANTASY and ROMANCE. Both were so undeveloped here that it was almost disrespectful. On top of that, it is geared towards a “New Adult,” older than YA audience, so I was expecting at least a LITTLE more nuance here.
Thank you for reading my two cents!
Please consider the warnings listed below!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death and Sexual content
Moderate: Animal death, Blood, Body horror, Bullying, Death of parent, Fire/Fire injury, Chronic illness, Classism, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, Violence, and War
Minor: Medical content, Drug use, and Vomit
-Death of several background characters, in varying ways (neck snapping, falling off bridge, incineration by dragon fire, close combat). -there is a kissing scene with dubious consent as both parties are under a kind of magical influence. - explicit sex happens twice in the latter half of the book between main characters. There are several mentions of how the male lead can physically hurt/overwhelm Violet, and this can be potentially distressing for someone to read. All other sex among the side characters is only implicit. - several background characters are poisoned, not to kill, resulting in sickness and vomiting. - Violet has a chronic connective tissue disease. This results in some tearing and bruising that is painful. -one character has to have their shoulder magically mended by a healer. It is descriptively painful. - there are bully type characters who try to hurt/kill Violet several times. One is particular is very aggressive. - Children of individuals who started a rebellion in the past are made orphans. This is an accepted part of the country’s history. - brief use of a weed equivalent drugselestre's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Animal death, Blood, Cursing, Death, Death of parent, Fire/Fire injury, Grief, Injury/Injury detail, Medical trauma, Sexual content, Violence, and War
Minor: Bullying, Child death, Drug use, Murder, and Vomit
madradstarchild's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual content, Death, Animal death, War, and Violence
Moderate: Injury/Injury detail, Blood, Bullying, Toxic friendship, Child death, Medical content, Chronic illness, and Gore
Minor: Suicidal thoughts, Vomit, Drug use, Death of parent, and Fire/Fire injury
micaelamariem's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
I'm in too many book clubs to keep up with. Four months ago, one of those book clubs chose Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros, so I sent a hold request to the library. I had heard of it but was unprepared for how popular it was. I was 50-something in the hold request line and it took these four months to actually get my hands on it. Needless to say, I didn't read it in time for the club, but I'm still glad I read it!
The author, Rebecca Yarros, is a busy woman. Not only does she write books, but she's a military wife with six kids. While she has written a lot of books, I think Fourth Wing is her first fantasy novel.
"A dragon without a rider is a tragedy. A rider without a dragon is dead."
Fourth Wing is an elite fantasy romance. Twenty-year-old Violet Sorrengail is forced to join the war college and train to be a dragon rider, rather than join the scribe quadrant like she wanted. Violet is unsure she'll survive the tests and training--many die and she's weaker than most, with brittle bones and a small stature. To make matters worse, Xaden Riorson is there, the son of a traitor--he would want to kill her just for being a Sorrengail, the daughter of the general. When things can't seem to get more complicated, Violet starts to suspect that leadership isn't being completely honest about what's going on outside the college walls.
If that summary doesn't sell you, let me tell you how much I loved this book. I loved it so much that I'm not sure I can express it properly in words, actually. It has been months, almost a full year, since I felt so connected to a book like this. Maybe because it has some of my favorite things: magic schools, enemies to lovers, training sequences, political intrigue, dark secrets.
The characters were wonderful and well-rounded. Violet shows a good source of disability representation within a fantasy novel. Because her mom had a sickness when she was pregnant, Violet is very weak and her bones break easily and she's always in pain. While this is a fantastical chronic illness, I think a lot of people may be able to relate--for example, I have chronic migraines, chronic knee and back pain, and stomach issues and yet this book made me feel like I can still be badass. I also loved how there were things about her illness that she could not overcome but had to adapt instead, showing the reader that this difference was not weakness.
Xaden was the brooding dark figure we all love in a good fantasy novel. He had his secret and deep down a sweet, protective side. But his protectiveness was a foil from Dain's--their characters showed how protectiveness can be sweet if you still trust someone to make their own choices and support them or it can be overbearing and belittling if you box them into a corner.
The side characters were also amazing. My favorite, of course, was Liam. He showed what it means to be a quiet friend, what it means to be humble, how to show your emotions through facial expressions. And Rhiannon was also great--the girl best friend every girl should have who loudly supports her friend and is determined to train and help.
Talking about the characters would be so incomplete without mentioning the dragons! I loved these dragons. Tairn, the fierce but noble one. Andarna, the sweet and stubborn and sometimes naïve. Sgaeyl, ready to strike down any enemy. These dragons had their own personalities and their own laws and they provided more insight onto our mere human characters.
The worldbuilding and plotline were so intricately intwined. I don't want to give any spoilers, but one thing I thought was clever was to have a main character who was so interested in books and history that we as readers get tidbits of the world's history from her. But in all fantasy novels, what never fails to amaze me is the research and grit put into designing magic school's classes, magic systems, maps, borders, fables, history, governments, books, fantastical creatures, and more. And being able to keep track of it and incorporate it into the plotline so they become key plot points. If only I can be such a good world creator and writer someday!
And the writing style was also great. I truly felt like it was Violet's voice, like I was in her head as she took in everything, from gigantic dragons flying overhead to the deathly obstacle course she had to complete and more. It made reading the five hundred pages fly by and made me wish for more.
The only drawback is there was some predictability. Maybe it's just because I read a lot so I can instantly recognize key tropes and foreshadowing. I still loved the book despite being able to predict some of the key plot points. I still highly recommend the book.
In fact, I give this book five stars, which is rare for me this year. I need to get my hands on the copy AND preorder the sequel, Iron Flame.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Vomit, Bullying, Chronic illness, Cursing, Death, Sexual content, Fire/Fire injury, Grief, Injury/Injury detail, War, Ableism, Blood, Body shaming, and Violence
Moderate: Animal death
Minor: Alcohol, Death of parent, and Drug use
lauram_16's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
I loved this book from the beginning, I was skeptical at first since it bombed on tiktok but tbh, worth the hype.
I couldn't keep it down the first time I read it two months ago and I'm once again re-reading for the third time. It's not a life-altering book, feels like a comfort read to me and has all the elements we love in this genre and keeps you on your toes onstantly with the actions scenes and plot.
You can recognise the tropes and familiarity of each arch and character but in such a refreshing and unique way. I feel like going home each time I pick up this book, a throwback to my teenager years but in a more mature setting (and great plot twists).
I can't rate five stars just for the explicit sexual scenes (not my cup of tea, but still bearable).
Can't wait to see what happens next and a bit more world-building (It lacks a bit in that department but I can see it getting more elaborated and intricate with each book).
Overall, a great story and 10/10 ending.
I couldn't keep it down the first time I read it two months ago and I'm once again re-reading for the third time. It's not a life-altering book, feels like a comfort read to me and has all the elements we love in this genre and keeps you on your toes onstantly with the actions scenes and plot.
You can recognise the tropes and familiarity of each arch and character but in such a refreshing and unique way. I feel like going home each time I pick up this book, a throwback to my teenager years but in a more mature setting (and great plot twists).
I can't rate five stars just for the explicit sexual scenes (not my cup of tea, but still bearable).
Can't wait to see what happens next and a bit more world-building (It lacks a bit in that department but I can see it getting more elaborated and intricate with each book).
Overall, a great story and 10/10 ending.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Sexual content, Death, and War
Moderate: Animal death and Chronic illness
Minor: Drug use
bohboh's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
inspiring
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
What a great book. This was very hard to put down each night I read it. Every sliver of information Yarros spoonfed me about the intense dragon-and-gryphon-clad warscape was just perfectly scratching my constant high-fantasy itch.
The protagonist, Violet Sorrengail, suffers from a connective tissue disorder and is looked down upon by others that see her darkening the famous Sorrengail family name. Though on paper this may seem as a trope, the level of absolute badassery we get to read Violet become is just so well written. The pacing of everything is perfect, down to even the character development (the hardest part).
Yarros' nails it, first and foremost, by laying a diverse character landscape of sexualities, identities, and races (human). Next, she makes them all compelling with their own motivations and mannerisms. The personality of each side character really wrenches you when they fall or uplifts you when they do something awesome. A+ storytelling in that respect.
Though I came and stayed for the fantasy setting and adventure, I found the romance was very well handled and did not detract, but rather enhanced Violet's story. This makes sense considering Yarros's mainstay is the romance genre. I still cannot believe this was the author's first foray into fantasy - It's all done so well. I am definitely keeping this book on the shelf as a future re-read.
The protagonist, Violet Sorrengail, suffers from a connective tissue disorder and is looked down upon by others that see her darkening the famous Sorrengail family name. Though on paper this may seem as a trope, the level of absolute badassery we get to read Violet become is just so well written. The pacing of everything is perfect, down to even the character development (the hardest part).
Yarros' nails it, first and foremost, by laying a diverse character landscape of sexualities, identities, and races (human). Next, she makes them all compelling with their own motivations and mannerisms. The personality of each side character really wrenches you when they fall or uplifts you when they do something awesome. A+ storytelling in that respect.
Though I came and stayed for the fantasy setting and adventure, I found the romance was very well handled and did not detract, but rather enhanced Violet's story. This makes sense considering Yarros's mainstay is the romance genre. I still cannot believe this was the author's first foray into fantasy - It's all done so well. I am definitely keeping this book on the shelf as a future re-read.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Sexual content and Chronic illness
Moderate: War, Injury/Injury detail, Toxic friendship, Violence, and Blood
Minor: Vomit and Drug use