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violetturtledove's review against another edition
emotional
funny
lighthearted
relaxing
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.25
This really is a sweet book. I found it a bit confusing at first, it skips back and forth and it's a bit hard to keep track of the characters. It's a slow, lazy read, and at times a bit rose-tinted considering some of the darker subject matter (but it is using a framing device of someone reminiscing, so that tends to have that effect). There are some quite funny bits and engaging characters, and i felt the ending tied it all up nicely.
Content Warnings
Moderate: Domestic abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Physical abuse, and Rape
Minor: Alcoholism, Murder, Sexual violence, Terminal illness, Suicidal thoughts, and Death
ymziegler's review against another edition
emotional
funny
hopeful
inspiring
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Content Warnings
Graphic: Racial slurs, Cancer, and Racism
Moderate: Body shaming, Rape, Death of parent, Suicidal thoughts, Sexual assault, Cannibalism, Fatphobia, and Death
klutzy347's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
funny
hopeful
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Racism, Racial slurs, and Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Rape and Domestic abuse
readingwithkaitlyn's review against another edition
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Sexual assault, Racism, Homophobia, Adult/minor relationship, and Rape
somelitreference's review against another edition
emotional
funny
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Southern as heck with a strong specklin' of casually-defined lesbian romance. I have never read a book set in the South that approached any facet of WLW queerness in such a matter-of-fact way. It was refreshing. It was cute as heck. However, their love story is not the center of the book. It's hard to define what story is at the center of this book because it spans so much time. And the way race and racism is handled is... odd. The book's treatment of racism is ignorant but aware of its ignorance at the same time. Overall, a good book that can spur a rich conversation within a bookclub.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Racial slurs
Moderate: Racism and Rape
kcakes719's review against another edition
emotional
funny
inspiring
lighthearted
reflective
relaxing
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Maybe I happened to read this at the perfect time, but this book really changed my life. The story, characters, and setting are so well-executed. By the ending I was crying my eyes out. This novel made me feel ready to take on life, peaceful, and at ease with my own mortality.
I felt like I was really living in Whistle Stop. Truly a beautiful, timeless novel.
I felt like I was really living in Whistle Stop. Truly a beautiful, timeless novel.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Racial slurs, Rape, Death, and Racism
Moderate: Domestic abuse, Alcohol, and Cancer
nannahnannah's review against another edition
2.0
Yeah . . . maybe this book just isn't for me. With such a good overall rating and with actual lesbians in historical fiction, it feels like I should like this more, but . . . I guess I just couldn't connect.
Evelyn visits her mother-in-law in a nursing home, basically feeling depressed and numb in middle age, and somehow becomes friends with another lady there, Mrs. Ninny Threadgoode. Soon, Evelyn eagerly anticipates her visits. Mrs. Threadgoode talks about her memories in Whistle Stop, Alabama, and Evelyn listens.
This is definitely one of those "atmospheric" books. You're here for the painting of Whistle Stop and its plethora of characters, not for any plot. Especially because the book doesn't stick to one coherent timeline (besides Evelyn and Mrs. Threadgoode's, that is). The retelling of the goings on in Whistle Stop can jump anywhere from back in the 30s to the 60s.
I'm not sure when the book started making me uncomfortable, but it crept up on me and gradually gained momentum, until by the end I just wanted to finish it to finish it.
I first rented this for the wlw rep and diverse characters, but I am really disappointed with how those characters are represented here. Ruth and Idgie, the lesbian/bi women, aren't well developed outside of their youth, and have a relationship borderline unhealthy (plus, it's not even "defined" whether or not they're actually in a relationship--goodread's official description for them is "friends" . . . incredible). I understand it's Ruth and "Aunt Idgie" to avoid the lesbophobia that was a lot more prevalent during that time, but nobody--not even from Idgie's family--found Idgie being a lesbian the slightest bit strange? When the book didn't shirk from the any of the racism of the 1930s-60s, I didn't like how it softened the homophobia. That may seem strange, especially coming from a wlw, but you can't "get rid" of one form of oppression magically and say you're being progressive when you're still depicting the lack of rights in another form. I don't know . . .
Moving on, Idgie is pretty damn manipulative. It's apparent she cheats on Ruth (telling Stump "don't tell your mother"--therefore she knows it's wrong, too), but her view on it is never challenged. Ruth and Idgie never even have a conversation about it; Ruth just seems a bit passive aggressive. Plus, she's stalked Ruth when Ruth was married to a man. It's not romantic . . . it's creepy.
There's also some things that made me uncomfortable in regards to race . . . now, I'm a white reviewer so take what I say with a grain of salt. There are two twins, Jasper and Artis. One is light-skinned (Jasper), and one is dark-skinned (Artis). So who is the "good" twin, and who is the "evil" twin? Yeah, just guess. Artis ends up in jail often, and he stabs Jasper one time and ends up "liking it" and etc., etc., etc. There was a chapter or two that talked about this difference in skin color among black people, but it kind of feels beside the point when she made Artis violent and Jasper do no wrong.
There's also a point where Evelyn (the main PoV character) wishes she were black--and has some pretty fetishist views of black people. She and Mrs. Threadgoode talk about how black people are just "so different", especially when it comes to feeling things. (However, she's also afraid of black men, a view which doesn't shift. Because eeeeeeveryone knows black men are scary, violent people. /sarcasm) There's also an inner monologue where Evelyn is angry and thinks how all these marginalized groups have already had their protests and protections granted (HA! as if), but when will that time come for women?! (basically affirming the White Feminist thought of even today that Woman = White Woman [only])
. . . This is the moment I knew without a doubt the book was written by a white woman. I verified it on the back of the book and shook my head.
At least I'll stop wondering about what this was about when I see it on all the lgbt/lesbian goodreads lists.
Evelyn visits her mother-in-law in a nursing home, basically feeling depressed and numb in middle age, and somehow becomes friends with another lady there, Mrs. Ninny Threadgoode. Soon, Evelyn eagerly anticipates her visits. Mrs. Threadgoode talks about her memories in Whistle Stop, Alabama, and Evelyn listens.
This is definitely one of those "atmospheric" books. You're here for the painting of Whistle Stop and its plethora of characters, not for any plot. Especially because the book doesn't stick to one coherent timeline (besides Evelyn and Mrs. Threadgoode's, that is). The retelling of the goings on in Whistle Stop can jump anywhere from back in the 30s to the 60s.
I'm not sure when the book started making me uncomfortable, but it crept up on me and gradually gained momentum, until by the end I just wanted to finish it to finish it.
I first rented this for the wlw rep and diverse characters, but I am really disappointed with how those characters are represented here. Ruth and Idgie, the lesbian/bi women, aren't well developed outside of their youth, and have a relationship borderline unhealthy (plus, it's not even "defined" whether or not they're actually in a relationship--goodread's official description for them is "friends" . . . incredible). I understand it's Ruth and "Aunt Idgie" to avoid the lesbophobia that was a lot more prevalent during that time, but nobody--not even from Idgie's family--found Idgie being a lesbian the slightest bit strange? When the book didn't shirk from the any of the racism of the 1930s-60s, I didn't like how it softened the homophobia. That may seem strange, especially coming from a wlw, but you can't "get rid" of one form of oppression magically and say you're being progressive when you're still depicting the lack of rights in another form. I don't know . . .
Moving on, Idgie is pretty damn manipulative. It's apparent she cheats on Ruth (telling Stump "don't tell your mother"--therefore she knows it's wrong, too), but her view on it is never challenged. Ruth and Idgie never even have a conversation about it; Ruth just seems a bit passive aggressive. Plus, she's stalked Ruth when Ruth was married to a man. It's not romantic . . . it's creepy.
There's also some things that made me uncomfortable in regards to race . . . now, I'm a white reviewer so take what I say with a grain of salt. There are two twins, Jasper and Artis. One is light-skinned (Jasper), and one is dark-skinned (Artis). So who is the "good" twin, and who is the "evil" twin? Yeah, just guess. Artis ends up in jail often, and he stabs Jasper one time and ends up "liking it" and etc., etc., etc. There was a chapter or two that talked about this difference in skin color among black people, but it kind of feels beside the point when she made Artis violent and Jasper do no wrong.
There's also a point where Evelyn (the main PoV character) wishes she were black--and has some pretty fetishist views of black people. She and Mrs. Threadgoode talk about how black people are just "so different", especially when it comes to feeling things. (However, she's also afraid of black men, a view which doesn't shift. Because eeeeeeveryone knows black men are scary, violent people. /sarcasm) There's also an inner monologue where Evelyn is angry and thinks how all these marginalized groups have already had their protests and protections granted (HA! as if), but when will that time come for women?! (basically affirming the White Feminist thought of even today that Woman = White Woman [only])
. . . This is the moment I knew without a doubt the book was written by a white woman. I verified it on the back of the book and shook my head.
At least I'll stop wondering about what this was about when I see it on all the lgbt/lesbian goodreads lists.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Rape
Moderate: Racism
Minor: Fatphobia
shieldbearer's review against another edition
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
Ok, so i can see why this book is a classic and why it's so beloved. However, even the setting and time this book is supposedly taking place doesn't excuse the way the race angle is so often framed. Why are the dark skinned Black men the one who are always getting in trouble?
And the angle with the Klu Klux Klan just feels so. performative. We're supposed to cheer for Idgie to standing up to the KKK, and while yes, of course this is a noble thing, the narrative also sees no issue with her continuing to associate with Grady- who, of course, is a KKK member who happens to be also in her special club of do-gooders with another Black character. Grady is A Good KKK Member! He Wouldn't Try To Intimidate Idgie!
This does not touch on the sheer cowardice behind the narrative decision to make the KKK members who confront Idgie over her choice to allow the business of Black patrons (from the back door, of course) at her diner not her friends and peers, but rather total strangers who she doesn't know. There were many, many red flags I ignored to get to the halfway point, but that's the point I finally called it quits on this book. Idgie stands up to strangers who are racist, but she'll break bread with a racist who is ALSO a KKK member who asked her to stop serving the Black railworkers and call him a close friend, and the narrative sees no reason to question this. Nor does it see a problem with outting a Black woman in Idgie's Special Club with a KKK member and it never feels the need to examine how she might feel about this. The narrative simply doesn't care for the perspectives and agency of the Black characters.
I don't care if this is a gay classic, the racism, colorism, and white saviorism just isn't worth it. This doesn't touch on the infantilization or villification of nearly every disabled character, either.
And the angle with the Klu Klux Klan just feels so. performative. We're supposed to cheer for Idgie to standing up to the KKK, and while yes, of course this is a noble thing, the narrative also sees no issue with her continuing to associate with Grady- who, of course, is a KKK member who happens to be also in her special club of do-gooders with another Black character. Grady is A Good KKK Member! He Wouldn't Try To Intimidate Idgie!
This does not touch on the sheer cowardice behind the narrative decision to make the KKK members who confront Idgie over her choice to allow the business of Black patrons (from the back door, of course) at her diner not her friends and peers, but rather total strangers who she doesn't know. There were many, many red flags I ignored to get to the halfway point, but that's the point I finally called it quits on this book. Idgie stands up to strangers who are racist, but she'll break bread with a racist who is ALSO a KKK member who asked her to stop serving the Black railworkers and call him a close friend, and the narrative sees no reason to question this. Nor does it see a problem with outting a Black woman in Idgie's Special Club with a KKK member and it never feels the need to examine how she might feel about this. The narrative simply doesn't care for the perspectives and agency of the Black characters.
I don't care if this is a gay classic, the racism, colorism, and white saviorism just isn't worth it. This doesn't touch on the infantilization or villification of nearly every disabled character, either.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Ableism, Racism, and Racial slurs
Moderate: Rape
laurataylor's review against another edition
emotional
funny
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Pregnancy, Addiction, Gun violence, Hate crime, Infidelity, Racism, Domestic abuse, Alcohol, Cancer, Child death, Grief, Rape, and Sexual assault
mariaejike's review against another edition
Just wasn’t in to it. It was cool at first, but then I was forcing myself to read it
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Hate crime, Cancer, Domestic abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, and Rape