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vidumor's review against another edition
4.0
Really strong character work with Cassandra here. I love how although this is kind of a Batfam teamup comic, every arc so far during this Rebirth run has a central grounding character while still keeping a solid balance with the others. With Cass's story, a lot of her past features some really dark, emotional beats. So much of this arc just really works for me.
The only meh moments were everything with the colony (booooring) and how ambiguous and wishy washy Shiva's motives were. If you're going to start rambling about how you're not really evil, but don't give any more insight into why what you're doing is reasonable, I am going to start losing interest.
The only meh moments were everything with the colony (booooring) and how ambiguous and wishy washy Shiva's motives were. If you're going to start rambling about how you're not really evil, but don't give any more insight into why what you're doing is reasonable, I am going to start losing interest.
captwinghead's review against another edition
5.0
*** Received an ARC review via NetGalley in exchange for an honest review ***
4.5 stars.
So, this volume centers around Rebirth! Cassandra Cain and her meeting with Shiva.
So, I’ll get the negatives out of the way upfront: (1) This is not my favorite art. Something about it just isn’t as pleasing to the eye, to me. (2) I’m still majorly bummed that this version of Cass is not Bruce’s daughter. This version of Bruce is wary of her and she chose to name herself after David Cain, something Cass would never do because her father was an abusive prick. Sigh. (3) All of Cass’ portions are told through narratives and boxes because she barely speaks because they regressed her. While I liked the choice to use movement and art to tell her story, i’m still not pleased with these choices as a whole. (4) There’s another fade to black scene when Shiva’s fighting. Why?
Onward!
I loved that they gave us more of Cassie and ballet. I loved her sneaking into the studio to learn and watch the dancers! She's fascinated by people using body language to create art and not pain. I also loved Cass using the dance moves to inspire her fighting style. It was heartbreaking to see Cass unable to communicate with Harper even though she so badly wants to. This friendship remains interesting to me.
I liked seeing Bruce's proud little smile when he’s talking about Cass. Bruce admits Cass would beat him. Batwoman worries about her. Bruce also talks about them taking her out to see ballet. Again, wish she was still his adoptive daughter but this was cute to see. I also really liked the relationship between Cass and Basil.
Shiva has always been a very dynamic character. Watching Cass go through this situation where her mother, who she’s been dreaming of meeting, tells her she’s not worthy was heartbreaking. As were the flashbacks of her father’s abuse.
So, when you separate Cass’ superior history (had to say it) and just appreciate this as a story for an entirely separate character, it’s pretty interesting. If I didn’t have the context of her past incarnation, I would probably love this even more. As it stands on its own, it’s pretty moving. Cass is a little more trusting of others, especially considering the scene with Claire, the dancer. I loved their interactions and I really hope Cass stays in touch with her.
The crux of this story is Cass’ relationship with autonomy. While it isn’t as progressive as Puckett’s run, it does obtain some autonomy for Cass. She discerns, from a story read to her, that she can choose her own destiny. Not fighting to kill doesn’t make her weak: it makes her strong. She defines who she is; not her father and not Bruce. It does make me question whether they’ll let her have a real code name after this. Orphan. Especially after David Cain makes no sense at all.
I’m still a little fuzzy as to what Shiva’s goal were but the ending was satisfactory. My daughter is a total badass!!
There’s a short interlude with Luke and Azazel that surprised me. I was actually charmed by it and want to see more of them working together. I love the idea of an atheist/agnostic scientist that trusts in logic and reason working with a religious person. They have an interesting chemistry and I hope to see more of it in the future.
The end with Tim kind of served no purpose other than to hint, once again, at the war coming.
So, in some ways, this was probably the strongest, well put together arc of the series. I say that not just because I love Cass and it focused on her but because it had a beginning, middle and end and by focusing more on one character, it felt more cohesive. Still bummed that this version do Cass speaks in sentence fragments and isn’t Bruce’s adoptive daughter and the Batfam’s adoptive sister. However, as I said, if I remove that context, it’s a very powerful story.
4.5 stars.
So, this volume centers around Rebirth! Cassandra Cain and her meeting with Shiva.
So, I’ll get the negatives out of the way upfront: (1) This is not my favorite art. Something about it just isn’t as pleasing to the eye, to me. (2) I’m still majorly bummed that this version of Cass is not Bruce’s daughter. This version of Bruce is wary of her and she chose to name herself after David Cain, something Cass would never do because her father was an abusive prick. Sigh. (3) All of Cass’ portions are told through narratives and boxes because she barely speaks because they regressed her. While I liked the choice to use movement and art to tell her story, i’m still not pleased with these choices as a whole. (4) There’s another fade to black scene when Shiva’s fighting. Why?
Onward!
I loved that they gave us more of Cassie and ballet. I loved her sneaking into the studio to learn and watch the dancers! She's fascinated by people using body language to create art and not pain. I also loved Cass using the dance moves to inspire her fighting style. It was heartbreaking to see Cass unable to communicate with Harper even though she so badly wants to. This friendship remains interesting to me.
I liked seeing Bruce's proud little smile when he’s talking about Cass. Bruce admits Cass would beat him. Batwoman worries about her. Bruce also talks about them taking her out to see ballet. Again, wish she was still his adoptive daughter but this was cute to see. I also really liked the relationship between Cass and Basil.
Shiva has always been a very dynamic character. Watching Cass go through this situation where her mother, who she’s been dreaming of meeting, tells her she’s not worthy was heartbreaking. As were the flashbacks of her father’s abuse.
So, when you separate Cass’ superior history (had to say it) and just appreciate this as a story for an entirely separate character, it’s pretty interesting. If I didn’t have the context of her past incarnation, I would probably love this even more. As it stands on its own, it’s pretty moving. Cass is a little more trusting of others, especially considering the scene with Claire, the dancer. I loved their interactions and I really hope Cass stays in touch with her.
The crux of this story is Cass’ relationship with autonomy. While it isn’t as progressive as Puckett’s run, it does obtain some autonomy for Cass. She discerns, from a story read to her, that she can choose her own destiny. Not fighting to kill doesn’t make her weak: it makes her strong. She defines who she is; not her father and not Bruce. It does make me question whether they’ll let her have a real code name after this. Orphan. Especially after David Cain makes no sense at all.
I’m still a little fuzzy as to what Shiva’s goal were but the ending was satisfactory.
Spoiler
I loved finally getting a fight scene with Cass taking down an awe inspiring amount of ninjas.There’s a short interlude with Luke and Azazel that surprised me. I was actually charmed by it and want to see more of them working together. I love the idea of an atheist/agnostic scientist that trusts in logic and reason working with a religious person. They have an interesting chemistry and I hope to see more of it in the future.
The end with Tim kind of served no purpose other than to hint, once again, at the war coming.
So, in some ways, this was probably the strongest, well put together arc of the series. I say that not just because I love Cass and it focused on her but because it had a beginning, middle and end and by focusing more on one character, it felt more cohesive. Still bummed that this version do Cass speaks in sentence fragments and isn’t Bruce’s adoptive daughter and the Batfam’s adoptive sister. However, as I said, if I remove that context, it’s a very powerful story.
gonza_basta's review against another edition
3.0
I am sorry to say that I didn't like this comic so much, it's just that in my opinion there far too many orphans in Marvel Universe, and so....anyway, that is just my personal opinion.
Mi spiace dire che questo numero non mi é piaciuto poi tanto, anche perché bisogna ammettere che nel l'universo Marvel di orfani ce ne sono giá troppi, ma questa comunque é solo la mia opinione personale.
THANKS TO EDELWEISS FOR THE PREVIEW!
Mi spiace dire che questo numero non mi é piaciuto poi tanto, anche perché bisogna ammettere che nel l'universo Marvel di orfani ce ne sono giá troppi, ma questa comunque é solo la mia opinione personale.
THANKS TO EDELWEISS FOR THE PREVIEW!
josetinocoperez's review against another edition
2.0
50/100.
El volumen comienza con un número especial (#950) como preámbulo a la historia que contará en cinco partes ('League of Shadows'). El número especial se centra en el personaje de Cassandra Cane. Es una mirada introspectiva a cómo es la vida de la superheroína llamada 'Orphan'. A mí me ha resultado interesante, aunque habría explotado más la faceta de 'lo que ha perdido'. Además, también abre algunas tramas que se desarrollarán en un futuro inmediato para personajes como Batman o Nightwing.
Finalizamos el volumen con 'League of Shadows'. Ya en su primer numerito (#951) nos presentan a la temible Shiva como la villana de este volumen. La verdadera protagonista de este volumen es Cassandra Cane y su viaje como personaje. Además, aparece una batería de personajes (Ra's al Ghul, Batwoman, Red Robin, etc) del universo Batman, como cabe en Detective Comics.
A mí me ha gustado, pero no creo que sea algo memorable. Está bien para pasar el rato, pero no mucho más.
El volumen comienza con un número especial (#950) como preámbulo a la historia que contará en cinco partes ('League of Shadows'). El número especial se centra en el personaje de Cassandra Cane. Es una mirada introspectiva a cómo es la vida de la superheroína llamada 'Orphan'. A mí me ha resultado interesante, aunque habría explotado más la faceta de 'lo que ha perdido'. Además, también abre algunas tramas que se desarrollarán en un futuro inmediato para personajes como Batman o Nightwing.
Finalizamos el volumen con 'League of Shadows'. Ya en su primer numerito (#951) nos presentan a la temible Shiva como la villana de este volumen. La verdadera protagonista de este volumen es Cassandra Cane y su viaje como personaje. Además, aparece una batería de personajes (Ra's al Ghul, Batwoman, Red Robin, etc) del universo Batman, como cabe en Detective Comics.
A mí me ha gustado, pero no creo que sea algo memorable. Está bien para pasar el rato, pero no mucho más.
garnetguardian's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
4.0
lynnpire's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
geeknb's review against another edition
4.0
I'm enjoying this run. The focus of this book was Cassandra Cain aka orphan.
Batman still seems off kilter after the 'death' of Tim and Stephanie leaving the team.
I'm enjoying the pairing of Batwing and Azrael and I'm worried for this softer Clayface, he seems to be running out of time.
The writing was solid and the artwork in the first few issues was great, very engaging. But when the artist changed so did the style, it became less defined, suffused with dense colours that made some of the panels too dark and indistinct. I didn't really like the later artwork.
Eager to continue with this line.
Batman still seems off kilter after the 'death' of Tim and Stephanie leaving the team.
I'm enjoying the pairing of Batwing and Azrael and I'm worried for this softer Clayface, he seems to be running out of time.
The writing was solid and the artwork in the first few issues was great, very engaging. But when the artist changed so did the style, it became less defined, suffused with dense colours that made some of the panels too dark and indistinct. I didn't really like the later artwork.
Eager to continue with this line.
njdarkish's review against another edition
4.0
This is probably the strongest entry in Tynion's run on Detective Comics. He really took the time to dig down into one of the most interesting recent additions to the Bat-family-- Cassandra Cain-- and that really paid off. I thought her fascination with dance as a form of communication was an absolutely gorgeous way to explore her character, and then to have her be at the center of the conflict in this story really worked all the more because we really started to see her in all of her complexity. The rest of the family definitely operated much more peripherally, but that was fine considering how fine a piece of character writing this volume ended up being.
scolton97's review against another edition
dark
emotional
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
raul3893's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
mysterious
tense
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
I love Cassandra so seeing her be the focus was great to see, the beginning of her on the ballet was so heartbreaking, and the story was super engaging I had to keep reading even when I was done with school