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musicalpopcorn's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
hopeful
reflective
sad
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
A collection of stories about people connected throughout a plague and its aftermath, How High We Go In the Dark is both dark and hopeful about humanity’s ability to persevere.
I enjoyed the first half of this book more than I enjoyed the second half, but overall I liked the whole thing. The kind of dark surrealist stories about euthanasia parks and talking pigs were much more interesting to me than the ones that by contrast seemed like normal family dramas. I found all of the stories compelling however I also found that having every single main character feeling detached from their family got a little old after a while and made them feel like the same character every single time.
This was a unique book with a one of a kind outlook on humanity. How it managed to be both so dark and depressing to ultimately hopeful was very well done.
I enjoyed the first half of this book more than I enjoyed the second half, but overall I liked the whole thing. The kind of dark surrealist stories about euthanasia parks and talking pigs were much more interesting to me than the ones that by contrast seemed like normal family dramas. I found all of the stories compelling however I also found that having every single main character feeling detached from their family got a little old after a while and made them feel like the same character every single time.
This was a unique book with a one of a kind outlook on humanity. How it managed to be both so dark and depressing to ultimately hopeful was very well done.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Child death, Death, Death of parent, Pandemic/Epidemic, Suicidal thoughts, Terminal illness, and Chronic illness
Moderate: Cancer, Stalking, Suicide, Animal death, Blood, Colonisation, and Grief
tyras_bookshelf's review
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
mysterious
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
Themes: grief, death, illness, love, existentialism , pandemic/plague
My score of this book feels really complicated because I don’t think a 3.5 conveys how touched I was by the stories, even if I didn’t really like the book. Enjoying a book isn’t the basis of it being good by any means but I hesitate to rank something highly if I didn’t like it much.
Focusing on two stories in particular-Through the Garden of Memory and The Scope of Possibility- these were incredibly creative and emotional. I give these separate stories each a 4 because I would recommend and reread them as short stories. That said, I didn’t like the others enough to warrant a 4 for the whole book.
Many of the stories felt disjointed. They were all written as short stories since 2013 that were combined so that underscores my point. I’m glad Nagamatsu wove them together with characters that crossed over into each story unlike other books I’ve read with this similarly approach but I felt they lacked true cohesion as one book.
That said, I have so many thoughts so the following is me basically live tweeting the book as I read it. Skip to the end if you don’t wanna read my brain dump.
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Interesting how Clara spins being away from her daughter; her negligence seems fueled by this idea of grandeur and importance in her work (now that I’ve finished the book, this makes a lot of sense).
I wonder if we’ll get into Yumi’s origin, Clara likely didn’t want to be a mom (how wrong I was).
Really big philosophical questions about global community; Clara at a young age is already consumed by the ills of the world and her responsibility to bear witness to tragedy.
I think the chapter with the darkness and the bubble memories is my favorite (Through the Garden of Memory). I really really like how he conceptualized memory and death and this sort of limbo of the afterlife. I also love/hate how vague and ambiguous the ending of that chapter was because that feels encompassing of my understanding of death. I thought it was really interesting too how Nagamatsu illustrates all of those people that have died the same way, and have ended up in the same sort of ether, a place/non-place, because it feels symbolic of connection through tragedy. I can imagine like people having died of a mass tragedy all at once ending up in the same place together still so tied to each other.
Pig son is freaky, and perverse and kind of precious because this pig is essentially a child. And also kind of makes me think that the baby from the ether/memory garden ended up in a pig body or something. (The audio section of this part of the book also made me nauseous. The voice actor was great but the pig man sounded absolutely retched)
Interesting how money is still so prevalent in this post-disease society. The whole book is freaky and sci-fy heavy which feels at times too close to impossibility to be realistic (not that it has to be because this is fiction after-all) but then Nagamatsu connects some element of culture or humanness or capitalism that grounds the story in realness again.
Similar to The Candy house and Cloud Cuckoo Land which I also had complicated feelings about.
Really kind of bored around the space travel chapter. It was just talking about the grandmother and the daughter and I didn’t find much to be challenging/interesting in that chapter as it played out. Although I was really happy to see that a cure was created, and that the world is rebuilding itself (this felt needed and hopeful).
I think the biggest unbelievable aspect of that storyline, though, and maybe this is my own cynicism, is that corporations would be focused at all on healing the planet is laughable. It’s lovely that Nagamatsu could picture a world where humanity and our survival was more important than profits, but even in his story currency still exists, and there were still the messages of classism throughout the book.
I think the biggest unbelievable aspect of that storyline, though, and maybe this is my own cynicism, is that corporations would be focused at all on healing the planet is laughable. It’s lovely that Nagamatsu could picture a world where humanity and our survival was more important than profits, but even in his story currency still exists, and there were still the messages of classism throughout the book.
6,000 years!? But what’s time really without a connection to the sun? How do you watch the years pass in your own body without something to tether it to?
Meloncholy Nights in a Tokyo Cyber Cafe seemed like a regression in the line of the story but also maybe symbolic of peoples complacency, and a striving to “ return to normalcy” in the face of the world literally ending. Not unlike how we treated Covid, which made it very uncomfortable social commentary.
I did think it was a weird choice for that story to be in third person and I’m still working through the symbols there, but it felt odd and took me out of the story.
Then, also, Akira’s naivety and the sheer amount of ego it takes to think that you can convince someone not to end their life because you’re suddenly in love with them is baffling. He met this woman in Su**ide pact virtual arena and is surprised that she actually wants to unalive herself and not stick around for a romance that was one-sided.
The story dragged for a while near the middle.
Claire was an alien/space being/deity(?) the whole time?! That makes a lot of sense as to why she was so distant and so focused on saving the planet. There was also an element of guilt there that we didn’t know about. That’s a really cool twist.
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Again, now that I know the ending, Clara’s behavior is so clear. I guess that was foreshadowing. I liked being surprised by the ending but I also think the story would have been so much better to follow Clara as the thread of each story and understand her motivation more.
I could have read an entire book alone about the red planet with the killer insects and I think that would’ve been a really cool story. I think all the stories are sort of interesting, but that honestly, Nagamatsu was just doing too much with this whole thing.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Chronic illness, Medical content, Child death, Death, Cancer, and Suicide
Moderate: Stalking
Minor: Classism
erebus53's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
hopeful
mysterious
reflective
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Welp... (gets off rollercoaster) that was certainly a trip!!
I picked up this book as a buddy read from book club. As an audiobook it differed from so many books in English with many Japanese names and words by having narrators who were of Japanese descent and who could actually pronounce Japanese.. SUCH a relief! Being able to understand what people are saying is really hard when they are approximating and getting half the words so mangled it's inaudible.
This is a deeply emotional book, that I think you can only get the most out of if you invest in it. Each section of the book is from a different view point (stitched together like short stories) and they are all subtly connected which makes it really rewarding when you realise what those connections are. Each personal viewpoint deals with grief. The world depicted is stricken by a plague that is bigger and weirder than anything humanity has yet experienced. It takes our current experiences and racks the intensity to 11.
In a world that develops fun ways to enjoy euthanasia *wince*, and novel traditions for remembering and celebrating the lives of those we have lost, this story spans centuries. In so doing it deals with the loss and displacement caused by illness, ecological instability, and human affected climate change - wildfires, flooding, mass extinction... and the hopes that humanity has for colonising space in ways that will not displace indigenous life out there.
Some of the science is .. unlikely but not completely outside the bounds of possibility. You have to strap on those Suspenders of Disbelief (+4) to embrace some of the ideas about Roswell, and cryptids - but some of the heroic characters are steeped more in the idea of believing that things might be true until they can be falsified... which allows them to believe things that seem improbable.
Major themes involve the focus on family, on long-term planning and, the things that are so important that we can't be there for our children. Unlike adventure stories of the past where fathers are absent seeking glory, this deals a lot with mothers who have to step away from family obligations for a Greater Purpose, and the grief and strife that causes.
Honestly.. I am the right agegroup that most of the music talked about in this story is familiar to me. That anchors the story emotionally. There is a lot of painting and art in the narrative as well.. which highlights the creativity of humanity, and the ways that we process grief and nostalgia, and how we chronicle our history. I bawled my eyes out in many different chapters. I found this really beautiful fiction and though not all the science was airtight I will borrow the saying from Amanda Tapping "that's why they call it sci - FI". The emotional resonance makes it highly enjoyable so I'll give it a 5.
I picked up this book as a buddy read from book club. As an audiobook it differed from so many books in English with many Japanese names and words by having narrators who were of Japanese descent and who could actually pronounce Japanese.. SUCH a relief! Being able to understand what people are saying is really hard when they are approximating and getting half the words so mangled it's inaudible.
This is a deeply emotional book, that I think you can only get the most out of if you invest in it. Each section of the book is from a different view point (stitched together like short stories) and they are all subtly connected which makes it really rewarding when you realise what those connections are. Each personal viewpoint deals with grief. The world depicted is stricken by a plague that is bigger and weirder than anything humanity has yet experienced. It takes our current experiences and racks the intensity to 11.
In a world that develops fun ways to enjoy euthanasia *wince*, and novel traditions for remembering and celebrating the lives of those we have lost, this story spans centuries. In so doing it deals with the loss and displacement caused by illness, ecological instability, and human affected climate change - wildfires, flooding, mass extinction... and the hopes that humanity has for colonising space in ways that will not displace indigenous life out there.
Some of the science is .. unlikely but not completely outside the bounds of possibility. You have to strap on those Suspenders of Disbelief (+4) to embrace some of the ideas about Roswell, and cryptids - but some of the heroic characters are steeped more in the idea of believing that things might be true until they can be falsified... which allows them to believe things that seem improbable.
Major themes involve the focus on family, on long-term planning and, the things that are so important that we can't be there for our children. Unlike adventure stories of the past where fathers are absent seeking glory, this deals a lot with mothers who have to step away from family obligations for a Greater Purpose, and the grief and strife that causes.
Honestly.. I am the right agegroup that most of the music talked about in this story is familiar to me. That anchors the story emotionally. There is a lot of painting and art in the narrative as well.. which highlights the creativity of humanity, and the ways that we process grief and nostalgia, and how we chronicle our history. I bawled my eyes out in many different chapters. I found this really beautiful fiction and though not all the science was airtight I will borrow the saying from Amanda Tapping "that's why they call it sci - FI". The emotional resonance makes it highly enjoyable so I'll give it a 5.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Death of parent, Murder, Mental illness, Pandemic/Epidemic, Terminal illness, Medical trauma, Grief, Drug use, Suicide, and Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Abandonment and Colonisation
Minor: Sexual content and Stalking
viireads's review
emotional
hopeful
reflective
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.25
Content Warnings
Graphic: Medical content, Medical trauma, Injury/Injury detail, Death of parent, Terminal illness, Grief, and Child death
Moderate: Chronic illness, Stalking, Pregnancy, Confinement, and Cancer
Minor: Drug use, Suicide, Animal death, War, Murder, and Death
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