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quarkie's review against another edition
challenging
dark
mysterious
sad
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.5
This book had me on the edge of my seat - I finished almost all of it in one sitting, it was that gripping. The ramp up to the big reveal was incredible, but then I thought the reveal itself didn't quite match the intensity of the first part of the book.
As a scientist, this book actually gets much of the science right, which helped with my suspension of disbelief. Things go just a bit beyond the walls of plausible reality at the end, but overall it's all sufficiently plausible as to not be too distracting.
This book is a translation, and it's obvious, but not in a bad way. In the translator's afterward, he talks about how hard he tried to balance translating the text in a way that would be more familiar to Western readers and translating it in a way that stayed true to the lyricism and tone of the original Chinese. In this, I think he succeeded. There are passages where things are phrased in ways that make it obvious it was written by a non-native English speaker, but I think that helps the reader place the characters and their motivations in cultural context. He also preserves some beautiful, thought-provoking passages that left existential questions lingering my mind long after I put the book down.
The book starts with descriptions of warring factions in the Cultural Revolution - of groups fighting each other even within the same organization. I think that theme is reflected in a fascinating way later in the book through the ETO, between the Adventists and the Redemptionists. This conflicts also underscores the deeply complex motivations for each member of humanity in everything they do. As Da Shi says, "There's someone behind everything." I think, similarly, "Everyone wants something."
This book explores a wide variety of other themes including:
- Whether the fundamental nature of humanity is good or bad, and how people react when they come to a conclusion in either way
- How your level of education can shape how you perceive the world and humanity, and how sometimes the 'wise' (meaning educated) can be so ignorant but the 'ignorant' (here meaning less educated) can be so perceptive
- The fine line between order and chaos
- How lonely the act of searching for nothing can be when your end goal is your sole motivation (which resonated strongly with me as someone who works on dark matter research)
- The role of environmentalism (with hints of anti-nuclear sentiments that I couldn't quite pin down)
- The role of colonialism and cultural influence, which again works as a fascinating juxtaposition of the Cultural Revolution
- How different world powers would react to First Contact, but also how societies very different from our would react to First Contact
One of my favorite scenes was where 30 million beings were used as a living computer. I felt it was so creative, and really helps readers understand how far humanity has come with technology.
Overall, this was a thought-provoking, fascinating, and gripping read. I already put 3 more books by Cixin Liu on hold at the library.
As a scientist, this book actually gets much of the science right, which helped with my suspension of disbelief. Things go just a bit beyond the walls of plausible reality at the end, but overall it's all sufficiently plausible as to not be too distracting.
This book is a translation, and it's obvious, but not in a bad way. In the translator's afterward, he talks about how hard he tried to balance translating the text in a way that would be more familiar to Western readers and translating it in a way that stayed true to the lyricism and tone of the original Chinese. In this, I think he succeeded. There are passages where things are phrased in ways that make it obvious it was written by a non-native English speaker, but I think that helps the reader place the characters and their motivations in cultural context. He also preserves some beautiful, thought-provoking passages that left existential questions lingering my mind long after I put the book down.
The book starts with descriptions of warring factions in the Cultural Revolution - of groups fighting each other even within the same organization. I think that theme is reflected in a fascinating way later in the book through the ETO, between the Adventists and the Redemptionists. This conflicts also underscores the deeply complex motivations for each member of humanity in everything they do. As Da Shi says, "There's someone behind everything." I think, similarly, "Everyone wants something."
This book explores a wide variety of other themes including:
- Whether the fundamental nature of humanity is good or bad, and how people react when they come to a conclusion in either way
- How your level of education can shape how you perceive the world and humanity, and how sometimes the 'wise' (meaning educated) can be so ignorant but the 'ignorant' (here meaning less educated) can be so perceptive
- The fine line between order and chaos
- How lonely the act of searching for nothing can be when your end goal is your sole motivation (which resonated strongly with me as someone who works on dark matter research)
- The role of environmentalism (with hints of anti-nuclear sentiments that I couldn't quite pin down)
- The role of colonialism and cultural influence, which again works as a fascinating juxtaposition of the Cultural Revolution
- How different world powers would react to First Contact, but also how societies very different from our would react to First Contact
One of my favorite scenes was where 30 million beings were used as a living computer. I felt it was so creative, and really helps readers understand how far humanity has come with technology.
Overall, this was a thought-provoking, fascinating, and gripping read. I already put 3 more books by Cixin Liu on hold at the library.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Murder, Physical abuse, Emotional abuse, Torture, Death, Injury/Injury detail, and Violence
Moderate: War, Blood, Colonisation, Classism, and Death of parent
margot14's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Gore, Death of parent, Murder, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Confinement, Physical abuse, War, Blood, Police brutality, and Violence
kamela's review against another edition
challenging
informative
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
I hate to say it, but I largely found this book dull. I adore Ken Liu's stuff, so I was looking forward to a really luminous translation from him. It's nigh-impossible to judge the quality of a translation if you don't know the original language, but I'm guessing he did a really good job, and that the odd flatness of the prose is reflective of either the author's style, a translation difficulty with the Chinese, or both.
In the beginning, I almost put it down because of how brutal the opening scenes in the Cultural Revolution were. If it had gone on much longer, I wasn't going to be able to deal with it - I didn't want to spend all that time in a world where these intensely violent and head-twisting things were being depicted one after the other. But it did cause me to feel attached to Ye Wenjie, and I was quite disappointed when the rest of the book didn't focus on her. Her every appearance in the book added intrigue and pathos, but I truly wish Liu had made her the protagonist, to the extent this book has one.
Because honestly...it really doesn't. It mostly has a bunch of characters whose purpose it is to react to huge, physics-related happenings that are difficult to feel much about. There's an incredible underlying thread here, about the way systematic brutality and having your mind beaten down repeatedly(and your father murdered in front of you in the public square) can cause a person to become hardened toward the fate of the entire human race, and when given the opportunity, to arrange with an alien civilization for their wholesale destruction and bring about untold vengeance, however long it takes. To me, this journey of Ye Wenjie is the beating heart of the book, but unfortunately the author decided to put that heart in the book's big toe or something. I got through it, but it left me cold.
In the beginning, I almost put it down because of how brutal the opening scenes in the Cultural Revolution were. If it had gone on much longer, I wasn't going to be able to deal with it - I didn't want to spend all that time in a world where these intensely violent and head-twisting things were being depicted one after the other. But it did cause me to feel attached to Ye Wenjie, and I was quite disappointed when the rest of the book didn't focus on her. Her every appearance in the book added intrigue and pathos, but I truly wish Liu had made her the protagonist, to the extent this book has one.
Because honestly...it really doesn't. It mostly has a bunch of characters whose purpose it is to react to huge, physics-related happenings that are difficult to feel much about. There's an incredible underlying thread here, about the way systematic brutality and having your mind beaten down repeatedly
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death of parent, Alcoholism, Murder, Emotional abuse, Gaslighting, and Torture
Moderate: Suicide, Injury/Injury detail, and Trafficking
uranaishi's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
mysterious
reflective
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Gore, Violence, Bullying, Emotional abuse, and Xenophobia
Moderate: Injury/Injury detail, Misogyny, Murder, War, Alcohol, Classism, Abandonment, Confinement, Cursing, Death, Gaslighting, Grief, Gun violence, Physical abuse, Sexism, Toxic relationship, and Blood
Minor: Colonisation, Pregnancy, Suicide attempt, Domestic abuse, Police brutality, and Suicide
andra_mihaela_s's review against another edition
challenging
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
I'm very glad I finally bit the bullet and read this book! ^_^
This Hugo Award Winner is truly unique(for me, as a sporadic Sci-Fi reader >..>) and beautifully written!
We follow Wang Miao -an nanomaterial engineer- as he tries to figure out why scientist and physicists alike die under mysterious circumstances. He gets wrapped up in the strange game named The Three-Body Problem;he tries and mostly fails to work with an insufferable cop named Shi Qiang and visits Mrs. Ye Wenjie to find confort from her daughter's inexplicable passing. >..>
Content Warning: suicide off-page; suicidal thoughts; murder of an individual in moderate detail; harmful political agendas and actions on page; examples of re-education on page!; sensitive content regarding religion and belief (for those of you sensitive to atheism and )
This novel is complex blend of genre: obviously we have science fiction, but elements of historical fiction and thriller get the spotlight regularly here! ^^
I really enjoyed how Liu Cixin started this novel. I feel we needed to understand Ye Wenjie and the other scientist who went through the Cultural Revolution in China in the 1950's and 60's, in order to see why The Three-Body Problem(the game referred in the book) became what it is today AND to get an idea why China's elite is so behind in specific research areas.
Wang Miao was a good protagonist...not great, not bad...good. He was a vessel for us to interact with this alternate reality; and I must confess...I didn't care why he was soooo moved by Ye Wenjie daughter's passing...after all his life is separate from them up until he is requested to join the investigation. On the other hand...his banter with Da Shi was GREAT!!!!!>..< I thought I will HATE Da Shi after 50 pages...but Oh boy was I wrong...in the end I think my favorite interaction of this novel are between Miao and Shi Qiang :)
In order to address some words to the women in this book..I don't know if the author preferred to write them in this way specifically to avoid a bad representation, or if he had a greater scope...but ALL WOMEN are depicted as unfeeling...robotic and incapable of surpassing their childhood trauma.(they have an engraved rage onto their soul, a hunger for ultimate justice 0_0) Maybe this is why I gave only 4 stars to the book...I get why some characters needed their anger at the world and complete lack of sympathy for the human condition in general in order to take the actions they did..but characters like Shen Yufei don't have a reason to be so detached.
Speaking of Yufei...her husband Wei Cheng was intriguing to say the least...and his role in the story!!!0_0..hope to see him in future books!!! >..>
Another great part: Trisolaris...the chapter dedicated to it....amazing! I especially loved how the author choose to mirror an earlier section. That time one soul pressed with trembling fingers a button of doom, while this time...an alien went against his very nature!^_^ Hope to see listener from station 1379 again!!!
Regarding plot: I feel this was a great start for what it tried to be...the mathematical problem of the Three-Bodies is greatly explored here not only with action and suspense, but with hard and cold physics (we get through a clever plot device multiple tries to solve this well-known dilemma in the world of mathematics! ^^ I truly loved the civilisations and the minds the game used, so that our protagonist is guided in the direction they needed him to go ). All these are mixed in with the investigation, Miao's slow descent into madness and Ye Wenjie's story. I cannot wait to read the next book! ^^
Overall, the atmosphere is more of a thriller (Miao is tormented to find out the truth while also bizarrely attracted to the unique game he accidentally discovered) with elements of hard sci-fi mixed with subtle anti-propaganda messages.^^
You'll definitely want to find out what happens; who's behind all the murders and suicides and how all these connect with this random characters >..>; all the while waiting with baited breath for the moment the aliens make first contact! 0_0
In my opinion, this book also has un underling message regarding the Chinese communism and the harmful actions it had on the scientific community over time, but don't take my word on it. After all, I'm just an outsider reading a sci-fi :)
In the end, I highly recommend you give this a try if you enjoy hard sci-fi with thriller elements!!! >..>
Enjoy
This Hugo Award Winner is truly unique(for me, as a sporadic Sci-Fi reader >..>) and beautifully written!
We follow Wang Miao -an nanomaterial engineer- as he tries to figure out why scientist and physicists alike die under mysterious circumstances. He gets wrapped up in the strange game named The Three-Body Problem;he tries and mostly fails to work with an insufferable cop named Shi Qiang and visits Mrs. Ye Wenjie to find confort from her daughter's inexplicable passing. >..>
Content Warning: suicide off-page; suicidal thoughts; murder of an individual in moderate detail; harmful political agendas and actions on page; examples of re-education on page!; sensitive content regarding religion and belief (for those of you sensitive to atheism and )
This novel is complex blend of genre: obviously we have science fiction, but elements of historical fiction and thriller get the spotlight regularly here! ^^
I really enjoyed how Liu Cixin started this novel. I feel we needed to understand Ye Wenjie and the other scientist who went through the Cultural Revolution in China in the 1950's and 60's, in order to see why The Three-Body Problem(the game referred in the book) became what it is today AND to get an idea why China's elite is so behind in specific research areas.
Wang Miao was a good protagonist...not great, not bad...good. He was a vessel for us to interact with this alternate reality; and I must confess...I didn't care why he was soooo moved by Ye Wenjie daughter's passing...after all his life is separate from them up until he is requested to join the investigation. On the other hand...his banter with Da Shi was GREAT!!!!!>..< I thought I will HATE Da Shi after 50 pages...but Oh boy was I wrong...in the end I think my favorite interaction of this novel are between Miao and Shi Qiang :)
In order to address some words to the women in this book..I don't know if the author preferred to write them in this way specifically to avoid a bad representation, or if he had a greater scope...but ALL WOMEN are depicted as unfeeling...robotic and incapable of surpassing their childhood trauma.(they have an engraved rage onto their soul, a hunger for ultimate justice 0_0) Maybe this is why I gave only 4 stars to the book...I get why some characters needed their anger at the world and complete lack of sympathy for the human condition in general in order to take the actions they did..but characters like Shen Yufei don't have a reason to be so detached.
Speaking of Yufei...her husband Wei Cheng was intriguing to say the least...and his role in the story!!!0_0..hope to see him in future books!!! >..>
Another great part: Trisolaris...the chapter dedicated to it....amazing! I especially loved how the author choose to mirror an earlier section. That time one soul pressed with trembling fingers a button of doom, while this time...an alien went against his very nature!^_^ Hope to see listener from station 1379 again!!!
Regarding plot: I feel this was a great start for what it tried to be...the mathematical problem of the Three-Bodies is greatly explored here not only with action and suspense, but with hard and cold physics (we get through a clever plot device multiple tries to solve this well-known dilemma in the world of mathematics! ^^ I truly loved the civilisations and the minds the game used, so that our protagonist is guided in the direction they needed him to go ). All these are mixed in with the investigation, Miao's slow descent into madness and Ye Wenjie's story. I cannot wait to read the next book! ^^
Overall, the atmosphere is more of a thriller (Miao is tormented to find out the truth while also bizarrely attracted to the unique game he accidentally discovered) with elements of hard sci-fi mixed with subtle anti-propaganda messages.^^
You'll definitely want to find out what happens; who's behind all the murders and suicides and how all these connect with this random characters >..>; all the while waiting with baited breath for the moment the aliens make first contact! 0_0
In my opinion, this book also has un underling message regarding the Chinese communism and the harmful actions it had on the scientific community over time, but don't take my word on it. After all, I'm just an outsider reading a sci-fi :)
In the end, I highly recommend you give this a try if you enjoy hard sci-fi with thriller elements!!! >..>
Enjoy
Content Warnings
Graphic: Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Death of parent, Gaslighting, Hate crime, Murder, Police brutality, Grief, Emotional abuse, and Violence
general_jinjur's review against another edition
challenging
dark
informative
mysterious
reflective
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Abandonment, Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Gore, Grief, Mental illness, and Suicidal thoughts
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