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gabrielofthe14th's review against another edition
challenging
dark
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
The book is irregularly paced, and The changes between the video game world and reality are not transferred well. The characters don’t seem to have real depth, one character in particular seems to be a sociopath, but has no depth, perhaps a sociopath has no depth. The references will require a little more depth, and will prompt you to research as some of the concepts are difficult to “accept” within the story. Overall I like the premise of the story. This book is translated and there may be a “lost in translation” part to that which I can accept.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, War, Hate crime, and Forced institutionalization
andra_mihaela_s's review against another edition
challenging
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
I'm very glad I finally bit the bullet and read this book! ^_^
This Hugo Award Winner is truly unique(for me, as a sporadic Sci-Fi reader >..>) and beautifully written!
We follow Wang Miao -an nanomaterial engineer- as he tries to figure out why scientist and physicists alike die under mysterious circumstances. He gets wrapped up in the strange game named The Three-Body Problem;he tries and mostly fails to work with an insufferable cop named Shi Qiang and visits Mrs. Ye Wenjie to find confort from her daughter's inexplicable passing. >..>
Content Warning: suicide off-page; suicidal thoughts; murder of an individual in moderate detail; harmful political agendas and actions on page; examples of re-education on page!; sensitive content regarding religion and belief (for those of you sensitive to atheism and )
This novel is complex blend of genre: obviously we have science fiction, but elements of historical fiction and thriller get the spotlight regularly here! ^^
I really enjoyed how Liu Cixin started this novel. I feel we needed to understand Ye Wenjie and the other scientist who went through the Cultural Revolution in China in the 1950's and 60's, in order to see why The Three-Body Problem(the game referred in the book) became what it is today AND to get an idea why China's elite is so behind in specific research areas.
Wang Miao was a good protagonist...not great, not bad...good. He was a vessel for us to interact with this alternate reality; and I must confess...I didn't care why he was soooo moved by Ye Wenjie daughter's passing...after all his life is separate from them up until he is requested to join the investigation. On the other hand...his banter with Da Shi was GREAT!!!!!>..< I thought I will HATE Da Shi after 50 pages...but Oh boy was I wrong...in the end I think my favorite interaction of this novel are between Miao and Shi Qiang :)
In order to address some words to the women in this book..I don't know if the author preferred to write them in this way specifically to avoid a bad representation, or if he had a greater scope...but ALL WOMEN are depicted as unfeeling...robotic and incapable of surpassing their childhood trauma.(they have an engraved rage onto their soul, a hunger for ultimate justice 0_0) Maybe this is why I gave only 4 stars to the book...I get why some characters needed their anger at the world and complete lack of sympathy for the human condition in general in order to take the actions they did..but characters like Shen Yufei don't have a reason to be so detached.
Speaking of Yufei...her husband Wei Cheng was intriguing to say the least...and his role in the story!!!0_0..hope to see him in future books!!! >..>
Another great part: Trisolaris...the chapter dedicated to it....amazing! I especially loved how the author choose to mirror an earlier section. That time one soul pressed with trembling fingers a button of doom, while this time...an alien went against his very nature!^_^ Hope to see listener from station 1379 again!!!
Regarding plot: I feel this was a great start for what it tried to be...the mathematical problem of the Three-Bodies is greatly explored here not only with action and suspense, but with hard and cold physics (we get through a clever plot device multiple tries to solve this well-known dilemma in the world of mathematics! ^^ I truly loved the civilisations and the minds the game used, so that our protagonist is guided in the direction they needed him to go ). All these are mixed in with the investigation, Miao's slow descent into madness and Ye Wenjie's story. I cannot wait to read the next book! ^^
Overall, the atmosphere is more of a thriller (Miao is tormented to find out the truth while also bizarrely attracted to the unique game he accidentally discovered) with elements of hard sci-fi mixed with subtle anti-propaganda messages.^^
You'll definitely want to find out what happens; who's behind all the murders and suicides and how all these connect with this random characters >..>; all the while waiting with baited breath for the moment the aliens make first contact! 0_0
In my opinion, this book also has un underling message regarding the Chinese communism and the harmful actions it had on the scientific community over time, but don't take my word on it. After all, I'm just an outsider reading a sci-fi :)
In the end, I highly recommend you give this a try if you enjoy hard sci-fi with thriller elements!!! >..>
Enjoy
This Hugo Award Winner is truly unique(for me, as a sporadic Sci-Fi reader >..>) and beautifully written!
We follow Wang Miao -an nanomaterial engineer- as he tries to figure out why scientist and physicists alike die under mysterious circumstances. He gets wrapped up in the strange game named The Three-Body Problem;he tries and mostly fails to work with an insufferable cop named Shi Qiang and visits Mrs. Ye Wenjie to find confort from her daughter's inexplicable passing. >..>
Content Warning: suicide off-page; suicidal thoughts; murder of an individual in moderate detail; harmful political agendas and actions on page; examples of re-education on page!; sensitive content regarding religion and belief (for those of you sensitive to atheism and )
This novel is complex blend of genre: obviously we have science fiction, but elements of historical fiction and thriller get the spotlight regularly here! ^^
I really enjoyed how Liu Cixin started this novel. I feel we needed to understand Ye Wenjie and the other scientist who went through the Cultural Revolution in China in the 1950's and 60's, in order to see why The Three-Body Problem(the game referred in the book) became what it is today AND to get an idea why China's elite is so behind in specific research areas.
Wang Miao was a good protagonist...not great, not bad...good. He was a vessel for us to interact with this alternate reality; and I must confess...I didn't care why he was soooo moved by Ye Wenjie daughter's passing...after all his life is separate from them up until he is requested to join the investigation. On the other hand...his banter with Da Shi was GREAT!!!!!>..< I thought I will HATE Da Shi after 50 pages...but Oh boy was I wrong...in the end I think my favorite interaction of this novel are between Miao and Shi Qiang :)
In order to address some words to the women in this book..I don't know if the author preferred to write them in this way specifically to avoid a bad representation, or if he had a greater scope...but ALL WOMEN are depicted as unfeeling...robotic and incapable of surpassing their childhood trauma.(they have an engraved rage onto their soul, a hunger for ultimate justice 0_0) Maybe this is why I gave only 4 stars to the book...I get why some characters needed their anger at the world and complete lack of sympathy for the human condition in general in order to take the actions they did..but characters like Shen Yufei don't have a reason to be so detached.
Speaking of Yufei...her husband Wei Cheng was intriguing to say the least...and his role in the story!!!0_0..hope to see him in future books!!! >..>
Another great part: Trisolaris...the chapter dedicated to it....amazing! I especially loved how the author choose to mirror an earlier section. That time one soul pressed with trembling fingers a button of doom, while this time...an alien went against his very nature!^_^ Hope to see listener from station 1379 again!!!
Regarding plot: I feel this was a great start for what it tried to be...the mathematical problem of the Three-Bodies is greatly explored here not only with action and suspense, but with hard and cold physics (we get through a clever plot device multiple tries to solve this well-known dilemma in the world of mathematics! ^^ I truly loved the civilisations and the minds the game used, so that our protagonist is guided in the direction they needed him to go ). All these are mixed in with the investigation, Miao's slow descent into madness and Ye Wenjie's story. I cannot wait to read the next book! ^^
Overall, the atmosphere is more of a thriller (Miao is tormented to find out the truth while also bizarrely attracted to the unique game he accidentally discovered) with elements of hard sci-fi mixed with subtle anti-propaganda messages.^^
You'll definitely want to find out what happens; who's behind all the murders and suicides and how all these connect with this random characters >..>; all the while waiting with baited breath for the moment the aliens make first contact! 0_0
In my opinion, this book also has un underling message regarding the Chinese communism and the harmful actions it had on the scientific community over time, but don't take my word on it. After all, I'm just an outsider reading a sci-fi :)
In the end, I highly recommend you give this a try if you enjoy hard sci-fi with thriller elements!!! >..>
Enjoy
Content Warnings
Graphic: Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Death of parent, Gaslighting, Hate crime, Murder, Police brutality, Grief, Emotional abuse, and Violence
beebidon's review against another edition
challenging
informative
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.25
I very nearly marked this book DNF many times. In truth, it took me most of 2022 to trudge through it.
I want to call it interesting, but in truth only parts of it were. It had the potential to be interesting. It had interesting sections. The concept is certainly interesting.
I’ve seen people say their complaint was that the characters were too static or bland, and people who adored the book rebutting those complaints with “that’s just the translation” or “that’s just the culture of how they tell stories” and perhaps that’s true. I don’t think the characters were the issue with the story, however. They just certainly didn’t add to it or try to save the experience.
My main complaint is with pacing; the exciting stuff was crammed into the last 100 pages or so, and not in an exciting denouement way so much as “great, we got through 250 pages of backstory, now I guess the actual story happens.” I found myself frustrated even as I was engrossed at that point, because I could see the small sliver of pages remaining, stressing me out as if I needed to tell the author “yes, yes, that’s nice and all but HURRY, we are running out of time!”
In the end, we didn’t even get answers to all the questions, and not in a fun cliffhanger or philosophical statement deliberate sort of way. There WAS a cliffhanger of sorts, but I do not feel like my lingering questions were intentional there. I more fell like the author had a really cool concept he wanted to pitch and didn’t know what to do with it so he fluffed hundreds of pages of history and scientific geeking out, dropped a novella or even short story’s worth of plot, then closed the book.
Finally, I’llsay before my spoiler talk that there are different levels of sci-fi you can find, from low/soft to high/hard, where high/hard is heavily based in science, or heavily based in fantastical, “out there” concepts. 3BP drags you through DENSE quantum, theoretical, astro, micro, macro, and every other kind of -physics, but in a way that walking away I’m not sure how much I can say “well, at least I learned a lot from it” because I’m not sure how much was true or embellished to lay the groundwork for the plot points. I don’t think Cixin (or Ken as translator) did a bad job of breaking down the concepts to understand (aided by the scientists often explaining the concepts to non-scientists, or at least scientists not in that specific field). But I did struggle a lot with dense passages where I couldn’t be sure if this was a concept I would need to know later or if it was a character waxing on for their own interest. I was often torn between “do I skip this passage or do I just put the book down for now” as my eyes glazed over. And every time I put the book down, I felt no obligation to pick it back up besides a faint curiosity and a sunken cost fallacy of “well, I’m already this far, maybe eventually it will get better.”
There were some cool concepts that Cixin was trying to get at that I feel were left half-presented or dropped n on the table with an “is this anything?” look, like if we wanted to feel some way about the content, that was up to us to go through the mental work on. Was it ethical to keep “less educated” people in the dark? Did Cixin mean to present a view that was so anti-religion? (Was he trying to say anything about religion at all?)
I feel the strongest points made (and the reason I gave the book as relatively high a rating as I did) were the parallels drawn between Trisolaran and Earth views about who deserves to thrive, the struggle for survival and at what point is it ethical (or not) to give up your own survival for another society that may “deserve” it more. This is the question I think I’ll ponder on into this new year, and Cixin’s strongest win.
I was also saddened by how such a cool concept as this alien society was still so clearly limited by the author’s very traditional views on things. A planet as advanced as this, with such unique bodies and minds, but there’s only 2 genders/sexes, and they’re heterosexual and monogamous? With every important person in the world (three body game version or “real” At the end) a man? Someone will roll their eyes at me on this for being “too woke” but I’m just not sure a cishet patriarchy needs to be reflected in the aliens too. Alas.
I want to call it interesting, but in truth only parts of it were. It had the potential to be interesting. It had interesting sections. The concept is certainly interesting.
I’ve seen people say their complaint was that the characters were too static or bland, and people who adored the book rebutting those complaints with “that’s just the translation” or “that’s just the culture of how they tell stories” and perhaps that’s true. I don’t think the characters were the issue with the story, however. They just certainly didn’t add to it or try to save the experience.
My main complaint is with pacing; the exciting stuff was crammed into the last 100 pages or so, and not in an exciting denouement way so much as “great, we got through 250 pages of backstory, now I guess the actual story happens.” I found myself frustrated even as I was engrossed at that point, because I could see the small sliver of pages remaining, stressing me out as if I needed to tell the author “yes, yes, that’s nice and all but HURRY, we are running out of time!”
In the end, we didn’t even get answers to all the questions, and not in a fun cliffhanger or philosophical statement deliberate sort of way. There WAS a cliffhanger of sorts, but I do not feel like my lingering questions were intentional there. I more fell like the author had a really cool concept he wanted to pitch and didn’t know what to do with it so he fluffed hundreds of pages of history and scientific geeking out, dropped a novella or even short story’s worth of plot, then closed the book.
Finally, I’llsay before my spoiler talk that there are different levels of sci-fi you can find, from low/soft to high/hard, where high/hard is heavily based in science, or heavily based in fantastical, “out there” concepts. 3BP drags you through DENSE quantum, theoretical, astro, micro, macro, and every other kind of -physics, but in a way that walking away I’m not sure how much I can say “well, at least I learned a lot from it” because I’m not sure how much was true or embellished to lay the groundwork for the plot points. I don’t think Cixin (or Ken as translator) did a bad job of breaking down the concepts to understand (aided by the scientists often explaining the concepts to non-scientists, or at least scientists not in that specific field). But I did struggle a lot with dense passages where I couldn’t be sure if this was a concept I would need to know later or if it was a character waxing on for their own interest. I was often torn between “do I skip this passage or do I just put the book down for now” as my eyes glazed over. And every time I put the book down, I felt no obligation to pick it back up besides a faint curiosity and a sunken cost fallacy of “well, I’m already this far, maybe eventually it will get better.”
There were some cool concepts that Cixin was trying to get at that I feel were left half-presented or dropped n on the table with an “is this anything?” look, like if we wanted to feel some way about the content, that was up to us to go through the mental work on. Was it ethical to keep “less educated” people in the dark? Did Cixin mean to present a view that was so anti-religion? (Was he trying to say anything about religion at all?)
I feel the strongest points made (and the reason I gave the book as relatively high a rating as I did) were the parallels drawn between Trisolaran and Earth views about who deserves to thrive, the struggle for survival and at what point is it ethical (or not) to give up your own survival for another society that may “deserve” it more. This is the question I think I’ll ponder on into this new year, and Cixin’s strongest win.
I was also saddened by how such a cool concept as this alien society was still so clearly limited by the author’s very traditional views on things. A planet as advanced as this, with such unique bodies and minds, but there’s only 2 genders/sexes, and they’re heterosexual and monogamous? With every important person in the world (three body game version or “real” At the end) a man? Someone will roll their eyes at me on this for being “too woke” but I’m just not sure a cishet patriarchy needs to be reflected in the aliens too. Alas.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Classism, Genocide, Violence, Death of parent, Police brutality, Xenophobia, War, and Death
Moderate: Suicide, Gun violence, Drug abuse, Child death, Sexism, and Hate crime
ekcd_'s review against another edition
dark
mysterious
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
1.5
It’s all spoilers this whole thing.
Where to start?
The characters are utterly forgettable and there is not a single redeemable or meaningful relationship between any of the characters or any facet of the story. They only existed so they could talk to each other as a way to move the plot along. Without the characters the whole book could be reduced to one, drunken rant about “like what if aliens lived on an unstable planet?” He put characters in so it wouldn’t just be a really bizarre lecture
This book reads as 350 pages of history and philosophical waxing and then 50 pages of shitty alien fan fiction that is really just the author patting himself on the back for creating analogies that are complicated enough for readers to think him smart but are ultimately meaningless.
By rooting a story in the present and then layering in completely absurd scientific magic over it really removed me from the story. The physics and math were really inaccessible and honesty glossed over that whole chapter.
Nothing in this story or it’s writing made me care about any of the individuals, civilizations, communities or social movements that were used.
I am gobsmacked that so many people praise this book so highly. I love science fiction and read it almost exclusively. The only thing keeping me from rage quitting half way through was rage reading so I could review this book without people saying “you didn’t finish it so you can’t comment on it”
It gets a 1.5 because I was able to finish it quickly (thank god)
Well screw you, fans of this book, I read it and I disliked it!
Where to start?
The characters are utterly forgettable and there is not a single redeemable or meaningful relationship between any of the characters or any facet of the story. They only existed so they could talk to each other as a way to move the plot along. Without the characters the whole book could be reduced to one, drunken rant about “like what if aliens lived on an unstable planet?” He put characters in so it wouldn’t just be a really bizarre lecture
This book reads as 350 pages of history and philosophical waxing and then 50 pages of shitty alien fan fiction that is really just the author patting himself on the back for creating analogies that are complicated enough for readers to think him smart but are ultimately meaningless.
By rooting a story in the present and then layering in completely absurd scientific magic over it really removed me from the story. The physics and math were really inaccessible and honesty glossed over that whole chapter.
Nothing in this story or it’s writing made me care about any of the individuals, civilizations, communities or social movements that were used.
I am gobsmacked that so many people praise this book so highly. I love science fiction and read it almost exclusively. The only thing keeping me from rage quitting half way through was rage reading so I could review this book without people saying “you didn’t finish it so you can’t comment on it”
It gets a 1.5 because I was able to finish it quickly (thank god)
Well screw you, fans of this book, I read it and I disliked it!
Content Warnings
Graphic: War, Xenophobia, Violence, Suicide, Police brutality, Hate crime, Gun violence, Genocide, Death, Confinement, Colonisation, Classism, and Blood
Minor: Alcoholism, Blood, Body horror, Gore, Gun violence, Injury/Injury detail, Alcohol, Classism, Colonisation, Cursing, Death, Death of parent, Grief, Infertility, Medical trauma, Murder, Physical abuse, Police brutality, Racial slurs, Racism, Religious bigotry, Suicide, Suicide attempt, Violence, War, and Xenophobia
I don’t regret reading this because at least it gives me something concrete to point my unhinged anger at. Going to drink some tea and read something that I know is good and pure
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