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mothiver's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
I’ve seen people call this book bad representation, but I don’t think it’s trying to be “representation”, in the sense we often use it these days. It’s not meant to show the queer experience to non-queer people in a way that shows them how Not Scary and Great To Give Human Rights To they are.
Instead, it directs itself to the people who have had those experiences, and presents every horrifying second of its narrative with an understanding that you know how this feels. I find myself reminded of the original concept of “the male gaze” - the way a woman watching a woman on screen must see her through the eyes of a man, because the Intended Audience are men. I never realised how much most queer media made me feel like I was watching a non-queer person watch queer people until I read this book, and realised it didn’t. Ironically, I actually think that makes it better representation than many books that try harder to be.
It is also one of the best portrayals of Autism I have ever experienced. I have NEVER seen a book that just… shows it, in all its messy reality, and treats the character as simply a person with flaws and strengths that so happen to fit a diagnostic criteria. I ain’t never seen a love interest lose speech before, and now I shall be chasing that high for the rest of my days.
Another thing I adored was the way that the characters were allowed to be angry. In this book, there is no strength to be found in Just Calming Down, or in Being The Bigger Person - at least, none that does not come from calmness letting you do exactly what you wanted to do angry. There is a certain relief in having a book take you by the shoulders and say you should be angry.
I would recommend Hell Followed With Us. No caveats, beyond making sure you can handle the content warnings. Read this book. You won’t regret it.
Graphic: Homophobia, Religious bigotry, Toxic relationship, Pandemic/Epidemic, Sexism, Transphobia, Emotional abuse, Violence, Blood, Body horror, Misogyny, Child abuse, and Gore
Moderate: Self harm, Gun violence, Cursing, and Deadnaming
Minor: Sexual content, Ableism, and Alcohol
torismazarine's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Homophobia, Mass/school shootings, Body horror, Child abuse, Child death, Classism, Misogyny, Murder, Pandemic/Epidemic, Panic attacks/disorders, Racism, Religious bigotry, Self harm, Injury/Injury detail, Sexism, Acephobia/Arophobia, Blood, Death, Lesbophobia, Medical trauma, Torture, Fire/Fire injury, Medical content, Toxic friendship, Toxic relationship, Transphobia, Violence, Vomit, War, Xenophobia, Biphobia, Deadnaming, Death of parent, Dysphoria, Genocide, Gore, Grief, Gun violence, and Hate crime
ziracrow's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Physical abuse, Homophobia, Gore, Blood, Murder, Suicidal thoughts, Medical trauma, Injury/Injury detail, Body horror, Gun violence, Death of parent, Religious bigotry, Deadnaming, and Dysphoria
Moderate: Toxic relationship, Gaslighting, Emotional abuse, Physical abuse, Misogyny, Confinement, and Death
cdelligatti13's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Body horror, Religious bigotry, Gore, Transphobia, Domestic abuse, and Violence
Moderate: Gun violence, Vomit, Toxic relationship, and Terminal illness
Minor: Medical trauma, Misogyny, and Child death
periodblood's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.25
Graphic: Violence, Blood, Transphobia, Vomit, Toxic relationship, Murder, Body horror, Injury/Injury detail, Emotional abuse, Gaslighting, and Gore
Moderate: Torture, War, Genocide, Misogyny, Death of parent, and Deadnaming
Minor: Grief
gremlinpride's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Graphic: Child abuse, Child death, Death, Religious bigotry, Blood, Body horror, Murder, Sexism, Genocide, Homophobia, Transphobia, Vomit, Fire/Fire injury, Grief, Injury/Injury detail, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Death of parent, Abandonment, Deadnaming, Domestic abuse, Dysphoria, Gun violence, Emotional abuse, Gore, Hate crime, Pandemic/Epidemic, and Violence
kickitupanotch7's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.75
Graphic: Death of parent, Gore, Medical trauma, Transphobia, Injury/Injury detail, Child death, Homophobia, Vomit, Violence, Blood, War, Death, Fire/Fire injury, Dysphoria, Body horror, Medical content, Child abuse, Genocide, Misogyny, Pandemic/Epidemic, Religious bigotry, Deadnaming, and Terminal illness
Moderate: Domestic abuse, Toxic relationship, Suicidal thoughts, Physical abuse, Chronic illness, Cursing, and Sexual content
Minor: Alcohol, Body shaming, and Ableism
biancafrancisco's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
The way the books touches so many themes - genocide (quite relevant to today), religious as a tool of imperialism and oppression vs individual expression, eco-facism, the weaponization of ideology to frighten people into obeying, a contageous virus, trans experiences, and the MC's relationship with his body, how it is gendered but also through its mutation (this is done in a very reflective and surprisingly tender way) - and a ton more, was really interesting.
The three things it could have done well with were:
1. A better fleshed out world, it seemed a bit weird that we barely knew what was happening outside the city and that even within it was like only a group of teens and some kind of nationalist type group existed;
2. Better fleshed out characters, in the middle of all the action I feel like there was a tiny scene or two thrown in there about them hanging out and getting along, but we barely saw any of their personalities beyond "this is their sexuality/identity, this is their ethnicity and here is one personality trait". I recognize this can be hard with so much else going on, and it is a debut so I'm confident their next works might improve on it;
3. It really bothered me that, for people who have been surviving for 2 years in shitty conditions, they showed zero attempts to improvise and adapt?? Are you telling me they couldn't have made reusable pads (this one really stood out to me) or any type of agriculture, etc? One of the kids came from a doom prepper family! And either way, people are nifty and crafty and it would've been so interesting to see the ways the ALC organized and became self sufficient. It just seemed really unrealistic that they basically depended only on the Vanguard's supplies. Also, the initial "there's not really anyone in charge here, we're all contributing" was such pandering to this idea of an anarchist community when during the rest of the book no one, besides the Watch a bit, had any say in any decision - might as well have kept that out. I understand these weren't the main themes the book was meant to focus on but it wouldn't have been that hard to add a thing here or there to make it more plausible.
These weren't egregious enough to bother my reading experience. On the contrary, I loved reading this book and did it almost all in one sitting. The message came across really well and I liked the premise and setting of the world. It kind of reminded me of The Last of Us - gory but very meaningful. There was so much love in this story and a lot of moments stuck with me.
Graphic: Domestic abuse, Dysphoria, Pandemic/Epidemic, Violence, Death, Kidnapping, Transphobia, Body horror, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Toxic relationship, Vomit, Child death, Genocide, Murder, Blood, Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Deadnaming, Gaslighting, Gore, Grief, Gun violence, Injury/Injury detail, Religious bigotry, and War
Moderate: Confinement
Minor: Classism and Colonisation
refrejarator's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Death of parent, Dysphoria, Misogyny, Murder, Physical abuse, Grief, Gun violence, Kidnapping, Fire/Fire injury, Medical content, Medical trauma, Transphobia, Animal death, Body horror, Cannibalism, Violence, Vomit, Blood, Child abuse, Deadnaming, Death, Eating disorder, Hate crime, Homophobia, Injury/Injury detail, Gaslighting, Genocide, Gore, Panic attacks/disorders, Torture, and War
cosmicpanda's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Homophobia, Injury/Injury detail, Genocide, Sexism, Toxic relationship, Death, Misogyny, Death of parent, Violence, Transphobia, Vomit, Domestic abuse, Blood, Gun violence, Pandemic/Epidemic, Body horror, Child abuse, Confinement, Deadnaming, Child death, Dysphoria, Emotional abuse, Fire/Fire injury, Gore, Hate crime, Murder, Physical abuse, and Religious bigotry
Moderate: Classism