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proza's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Chronic illness, Classism, Colonisation, Death, War, Terminal illness, Violence, Cultural appropriation, Genocide, Grief, Death of parent, Suicide attempt, Physical abuse, Self harm, Murder, and Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Pandemic/Epidemic, Sexism, Abandonment, Child death, and Misogyny
Minor: Blood and Cannibalism
auliarach's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
inspiring
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Genocide, Gore, Slavery, Death, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, Physical abuse, Religious bigotry, Violence, War, and Chronic illness
zea_d_writing's review
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
This was my 2nd read through of this book.
When I first read Elantris, I loved it. I was fairly new to Sanderson’s work at that point and was kind of blown away by it all. The worldbuilding is detailed. The magic system is unique and interesting and complex and visual. The plot is a slow burn full of political intrigue that builds to a fairly satisfying crescendo of a climax before wrapping up nice and neat.
I was also in a fairly different place in life when I first read it; physically, mentally, and socially.
So I picked Elantris up again this year as the first book in my big Cosmere re-read and had…a very different experience of this book the second time around.
I still generally enjoyed it, don’t get me wrong. But it very quickly became very obvious that this was early in Sanderson’s career before he not only grew as an author but also (hopefully) as a person.
The story itself is not as clean as I’ve come to expect from Sanderson’s work. The worldbuilding isn’t as deeply intricate nor as subtly incorporated in this book as with his others. The plot and pacing are much slower and kind of stagnates in places. And the characters…the characters in this book are Sanderson’s weakest.
Sarene is damn close to being a Mary Sue without the self insert aspect nor a tragic backstory. She’s damn near perfect and isn’t shown to have many flaws (if any) that actually affect her arc and actions within the story. Sure, she seems to have some self-esteem issues. But that never stops her from being proud of herself, being confident, standing up for herself, etc. Sure, she claims that she isn’t attractive and no one wants her…but goes on to charm every single male character in the book including the antagonist. She can sword fight better than anyone, she’s an expert in politics and intrigue, she can solve puzzles and see patterns, she’s amazing at making public speeches at a moments notice, and the list goes on and on. She doesn’t read as a realistic human. She reads like an idealized independent yet feminine woman.
It gets nauseating at some point.
And I can’t say Raoden is much better, despite the fact that he’s my favorite of the three main POV. Something about him just made him pop off the page a little more than the others.
Hrathen I also found more interesting as a character and I feel he also had more internalized weaknesses and faults that actually impacted his arc and story, but he still didn’t feel entirely consistent. And honestly his “turning point” in the book, while not entirely out of the blue, also didn’t feel entirely earned either.
ALL OF THIS ASIDE, the poorer characterization isn’t actually what made me so disappointed in this reread.
What really caught me off guard during this reread was the blatant ableism, sexism, fatphobia, and racism throughout this book.
I knew, in the greater discussion of Sanderson as an author, that his earlier work contained a lot of biases he held before he very publicly started having discussions with his fan base about these issues, listening to the affected groups, and started implementing sensitivity readers. I knew all this, but I also hadn’t read his older work in a good long while in order to remember the extent of it.
As a disabled individual, I think there could be some really interesting discussions had about the Elantrians. How the Shaod can happen to anyone, at any time, without warning. How, instead of taking care of the Elantrians and giving them the tools to be able to take care of themselves, they are cast out of society and expected to fend for themselves within a system that intentionally isolates and impoverishes them.
I think there are really solid discussions to be had here. And I have no doubt this was the intention on Sanderson’s part.
However, the execution of exploring disability through this lens fell flat for me. Overshadowed by the blatant ableism displayed by all of the characters, how the aspect of chronic pain was “solved” in the narrative, and the use of the magical cure trope and how it applied to the only autistic character.
And I found that that was a theme throughout the book in regards to both the casual and overt sexism, fatphobia, xenophobia, and racism. The book tried to address SOME of these issues but always failed to do so with any nuance or authenticity. In many cases these problems weren’t being addressed at all and were simply there in the text or, worse, acknowledged and even joked about.
I’m not going to go into full detail on the long list of examples for these issues (the autistic coded character, the autistic character being magically cured, how both Shuden and Galladon are often referred to by their race instead of names, how Raoden - a pale skinned character - puts on an illusion to make him appear to be the same race/nationality as Galladon - a dark skinned character - and has Galladon pose as his servant, the rapey joke made by Roial, the numerous fatphobic jokes…etc) because if I did the review would be too long but the list is unfortunately far longer than I expected it to be upon going into this reread.
Overall, this book has a lot of problems. I like the plot and the story as a whole. I think some of the characters are interesting. And the magic system is easily the best aspect of the book.
It was also fun to see the first appearance of Hoid in the Cosmere.
If I didn’t already know that Sanderson is learning to do better, has taken steps to mitigate further harm, and improved in these specific areas in future books, I wouldn’t continue reading him based on this book alone.
Thankfully, he has. So, for now, I’ll continue to read.
I just might not be revisiting this one again.
And hopefully, when Sanderson finally gets around to writing in Sel again, he’ll fix some of these problems when he does.
When I first read Elantris, I loved it. I was fairly new to Sanderson’s work at that point and was kind of blown away by it all. The worldbuilding is detailed. The magic system is unique and interesting and complex and visual. The plot is a slow burn full of political intrigue that builds to a fairly satisfying crescendo of a climax before wrapping up nice and neat.
I was also in a fairly different place in life when I first read it; physically, mentally, and socially.
So I picked Elantris up again this year as the first book in my big Cosmere re-read and had…a very different experience of this book the second time around.
I still generally enjoyed it, don’t get me wrong. But it very quickly became very obvious that this was early in Sanderson’s career before he not only grew as an author but also (hopefully) as a person.
The story itself is not as clean as I’ve come to expect from Sanderson’s work. The worldbuilding isn’t as deeply intricate nor as subtly incorporated in this book as with his others. The plot and pacing are much slower and kind of stagnates in places. And the characters…the characters in this book are Sanderson’s weakest.
Sarene is damn close to being a Mary Sue without the self insert aspect nor a tragic backstory. She’s damn near perfect and isn’t shown to have many flaws (if any) that actually affect her arc and actions within the story. Sure, she seems to have some self-esteem issues. But that never stops her from being proud of herself, being confident, standing up for herself, etc. Sure, she claims that she isn’t attractive and no one wants her…but goes on to charm every single male character in the book including the antagonist. She can sword fight better than anyone, she’s an expert in politics and intrigue, she can solve puzzles and see patterns, she’s amazing at making public speeches at a moments notice, and the list goes on and on. She doesn’t read as a realistic human. She reads like an idealized independent yet feminine woman.
It gets nauseating at some point.
And I can’t say Raoden is much better, despite the fact that he’s my favorite of the three main POV. Something about him just made him pop off the page a little more than the others.
Hrathen I also found more interesting as a character and I feel he also had more internalized weaknesses and faults that actually impacted his arc and story, but he still didn’t feel entirely consistent. And honestly his “turning point” in the book, while not entirely out of the blue, also didn’t feel entirely earned either.
ALL OF THIS ASIDE, the poorer characterization isn’t actually what made me so disappointed in this reread.
What really caught me off guard during this reread was the blatant ableism, sexism, fatphobia, and racism throughout this book.
I knew, in the greater discussion of Sanderson as an author, that his earlier work contained a lot of biases he held before he very publicly started having discussions with his fan base about these issues, listening to the affected groups, and started implementing sensitivity readers. I knew all this, but I also hadn’t read his older work in a good long while in order to remember the extent of it.
As a disabled individual, I think there could be some really interesting discussions had about the Elantrians. How the Shaod can happen to anyone, at any time, without warning. How, instead of taking care of the Elantrians and giving them the tools to be able to take care of themselves, they are cast out of society and expected to fend for themselves within a system that intentionally isolates and impoverishes them.
I think there are really solid discussions to be had here. And I have no doubt this was the intention on Sanderson’s part.
However, the execution of exploring disability through this lens fell flat for me. Overshadowed by the blatant ableism displayed by all of the characters, how the aspect of chronic pain was “solved” in the narrative, and the use of the magical cure trope and how it applied to the only autistic character.
And I found that that was a theme throughout the book in regards to both the casual and overt sexism, fatphobia, xenophobia, and racism. The book tried to address SOME of these issues but always failed to do so with any nuance or authenticity. In many cases these problems weren’t being addressed at all and were simply there in the text or, worse, acknowledged and even joked about.
I’m not going to go into full detail on the long list of examples for these issues (the autistic coded character, the autistic character being magically cured, how both Shuden and Galladon are often referred to by their race instead of names, how Raoden - a pale skinned character - puts on an illusion to make him appear to be the same race/nationality as Galladon - a dark skinned character - and has Galladon pose as his servant, the rapey joke made by Roial, the numerous fatphobic jokes…etc) because if I did the review would be too long but the list is unfortunately far longer than I expected it to be upon going into this reread.
Overall, this book has a lot of problems. I like the plot and the story as a whole. I think some of the characters are interesting. And the magic system is easily the best aspect of the book.
It was also fun to see the first appearance of Hoid in the Cosmere.
If I didn’t already know that Sanderson is learning to do better, has taken steps to mitigate further harm, and improved in these specific areas in future books, I wouldn’t continue reading him based on this book alone.
Thankfully, he has. So, for now, I’ll continue to read.
I just might not be revisiting this one again.
And hopefully, when Sanderson finally gets around to writing in Sel again, he’ll fix some of these problems when he does.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Fatphobia, Classism, Ableism, Chronic illness, Death, Violence, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, and War
Moderate: Misogyny, Racism, Colonisation, and Eating disorder
merlucito's review
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
This whole review contains spoilers
I would've never imagined that a fantasy book about conscious zombies was going to be this relatable. I have chronic pain; every day, I wake up and my body hurts, all of it; sometimes the pain is so big that I can barely walk, sometimes is something in the back of my brain. So, reading about the Elantrians and their constant pain and how they started to manage it really resonated with me. And it means a lot.
That's probably I loved Raoden so much. He refuses to fall for the pain, he sets a goal for himself and the whole city and pursues it even when the hunger and the pain never leave.
I would've never imagined that a fantasy book about conscious zombies was going to be this relatable. I have chronic pain; every day, I wake up and my body hurts, all of it; sometimes the pain is so big that I can barely walk, sometimes is something in the back of my brain. So, reading about the Elantrians and their constant pain and how they started to manage it really resonated with me. And it means a lot.
That's probably I loved Raoden so much. He refuses to fall for the pain, he sets a goal for himself and the whole city and pursues it even when the hunger and the pain never leave.
The man had come looking for a magical solution to his woes, but he had found an answer much more simple. Pain lost its power when other things became more important. Kahan didn't need a potion or an Aon to save him—he just needed something to do.
That, right there, was perfect. For me, at least. Raoden gave them what they needed and they forgot the pain. And I've been in that situation: when I'm doing something that's important, I can forget about my pain; when I'm working, my body doesn't scream as much. But if I stay all day in bed, doing nothing, feeling sorry for myself, the pain gets worse, because all my mind does is think of it. And so I loved everything about Raoden and Elantris. And I see myself re-reading some of those parts in the future, when I feel down.
On the other side, I also loved the political stuff. Sarene was a great character to follow and I really liked her interactions with the other nobles. The religious aspects of the world were really, really interesting and it kept my attention at all moments. Hrathren was a little tedious to read at times, but it ended up being a very interesting perspective. I love the discussion presented with his character and it was great to see the different sides of religion, and how men manipulate the belief systems to justify their atrocious actions. I think it's specially interesting coming from an author that's religious himself and as an atheist, I found it just... fascinating.
And, lastly, I just loved the magic system. But with Sanderson, I didn't expect less. I always love the magic in his books. In every chapter I went back and forth between the reading and the Arcs Arcanum to see which Aon was drawn and how that connected with what happened. I just loved it, I want to know more about the Dor.
I have the Arcanum Unbounded, so I'll just run to read The Hope of Elantris now, bye!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Violence, Chronic illness, Murder, and Death
Moderate: Torture
Minor: Suicide
A mayor theme of the book is religion and the atrocities men do in the name of their gods.anelya's review against another edition
Why didn't I finish this book? I worry that a better question is, "Why did I start?" I read Warbreaker and the the first Mistborn Era Trilogy first. Already there I chafed at the sexism, the casual and implicit sexism; already in those novels the racism was uncomfortable, the ableism and treatment of neurodivergent characters brought me to frustrated tears. But I was told that these books were wonderful, so I kept trying, waiting for them to get better.
Elantris was the last straw. The sexist comments were every two pages, slowly grinding down the walls I put up against it. The internalised misogyny was so present and so unnecessary; it was repeatedly so heartbreaking to hear the few female characters in the novel tear each other down. The off-hand comments against psychologically-disabled characters made me want to rip up the E-Reader. But what really made me stop and made me finally give up was the racism and slavery.
What is it with Sanderson and slavery? Most importantly, what is it with Sanderson and entire groups of people who either choose to be enslaved or are happy to act as slaves? It already made me feel so gross in the other books, but at around page 200 in Elantris, there was a scene where a child tried to let the enslaved character free, and the character fought back and claimed it was free and just... *SIGH* Yada, yada, different very terrible arguments that don't hold up to a mite of scrutiny. Flawed arguments attempting to legitimise slavery in a novel that claims to be against it. I just couldn't handle it anymore.
I'm sick and tired of this man's writing. How many groups must he treat terribly before he's through? I am in so much disbelief that so many people support his writing and claim that his representation is even halfway decent. Either he cleared up his whole act for The Stormlight Archive, or people are making excuses for him for some reason. I tried long and hard to see what on earth is worth it in these novels to make the positive points of reading them outweigh all the bad, but it has evaded me.
I guess if you're a person who can excuse ableism, sexism, misogyny and many layers and types of racism, then this is for you.
Elantris was the last straw. The sexist comments were every two pages, slowly grinding down the walls I put up against it. The internalised misogyny was so present and so unnecessary; it was repeatedly so heartbreaking to hear the few female characters in the novel tear each other down. The off-hand comments against psychologically-disabled characters made me want to rip up the E-Reader. But what really made me stop and made me finally give up was the racism and slavery.
What is it with Sanderson and slavery? Most importantly, what is it with Sanderson and entire groups of people who either choose to be enslaved or are happy to act as slaves? It already made me feel so gross in the other books, but at around page 200 in Elantris, there was a scene where a child tried to let the enslaved character free, and the character fought back and claimed it was free and just... *SIGH* Yada, yada, different very terrible arguments that don't hold up to a mite of scrutiny. Flawed arguments attempting to legitimise slavery in a novel that claims to be against it. I just couldn't handle it anymore.
I'm sick and tired of this man's writing. How many groups must he treat terribly before he's through? I am in so much disbelief that so many people support his writing and claim that his representation is even halfway decent. Either he cleared up his whole act for The Stormlight Archive, or people are making excuses for him for some reason. I tried long and hard to see what on earth is worth it in these novels to make the positive points of reading them outweigh all the bad, but it has evaded me.
I guess if you're a person who can excuse ableism, sexism, misogyny and many layers and types of racism, then this is for you.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Suicide, Colonisation, Sexism, Misogyny, Racism, Xenophobia, Violence, Slavery, Religious bigotry, Mental illness, Fatphobia, Classism, and Chronic illness
reneebkreviews's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
inspiring
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Mental illness, Death, Slavery, Chronic illness, and Suicide
Moderate: Confinement, Injury/Injury detail, Eating disorder, Torture, Death of parent, and Sexism
cerilouisereads's review
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Blood, Chronic illness, Death, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, and Violence
Moderate: Body shaming, Fatphobia, and Religious bigotry
Minor: Forced institutionalization, Gaslighting, and Misogyny
lilifane's review
adventurous
challenging
dark
hopeful
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Everyone warns people not to start reading Brandon Sanderson with this book, but I always want to experience a complex book universe in the publication order. So I started with Elantris, but told myself that it doesn't matter how much I hate it, I will definitely still read Mistborn at least.
To my biggest surprise I actually really enjoyed this book and if this is his weakest one... okay.
It certainly has its issues. Most of the characters are pretty flat and boring (although I like most of them without a doubt). I think there is only one character that is actually complex and interesting. And the whole political plot didn't interest me that much, I just didn't care for it and I think it dragged on for too long. I didn't care for the king and this baby monarchy, I didn't care for the nobility. I might have cared for the peasants, but they were basically absent from the plot, although they had so much more potential?
The rest of the book? I loved it! The world building is phenomenal, I enjoyed the magic system a lot, everything about Elantris (history, mystery, present state) is so cool and fascinating, and I flew through these chapters. The story was really well plotted in my opinion, all the small details that became important at the end and fit perfectly together. Ah, I love this. (I'm just a little sad the final Elantris mystery wasn't really explained. That scene was so confusing, and I don't know what happened there. I have a vague idea, but it's bothering me not to know the details!)
Also: Although I know, Sanderson discusses mental health in his books, I wasn't aware it was already so present in this first one. The way the suffering of Elantrians can be compared to depression really impressed me.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Chronic illness, Confinement, Death, Genocide, Gore, Injury/Injury detail, Mental illness, Religious bigotry, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, War, Fire/Fire injury, and Misogyny
sashafriese's review against another edition
adventurous
emotional
funny
hopeful
inspiring
mysterious
reflective
sad
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Minor: Violence, Sexual violence, Xenophobia, War, Suicide attempt, Suicide, Suicidal thoughts, Slavery, Sexism, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Religious bigotry, Injury/Injury detail, Genocide, Fire/Fire injury, Fatphobia, Death, Colonisation, Chronic illness, and Child death
ggcd1981's review against another edition
challenging
dark
hopeful
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
Essa é minha segunda experiência com Brandon Sanderson (a primeira foi White sand) e dessa vez eu “remei” mais do que na primeira experiência. Em 2021, até o momento, este foi o livro que levei mais tempo para concluir. Elantris não é ruim, na verdade é uma história bem diferente do que tenho lido até agora. Assim, foi novidade para mim um livro tão focado em maquinações políticas. Porém tive a sensação que a narrativa era lenta, tanto pela história ser de passo lento quanto pelo narrador, Jack Garrett, narrar de forma bastante espaçada (Vale acrescentar que pode ter sido a edição do áudio e não a narração de Garrett que deixou a história lenta, é difícil determinar a causa). Acrescentando o fato de que há relativamente pouca ação na narrativa e Elantris me deu a sensação de que se movia a passo de tartaruga, apesar de ter sido um bom livro.
Vamos ressaltar os pontos positivos da obra: Personagens agradáveis por quem pude torcer, como Raoden, Sarene, Galladon e até mesmo Hrathen, o antagonista inicial; Ótima personagem feminina (Sarene), mentalmente forte, com muita agência, e enredo próprio em separado de seu par romântico; Raoden foi um excelente protagonista que resolvia os problemas com inteligência e diplomacia já que não possui muitas habilidades de combate; Hrathen foi um antagonista interessante com aspectos de personalidade conflitantes que deixavam o seu futuro ambíguo, com um final que satisfez (ele ter começado como antagonista e terminado como herói do país foi um ótimo final); O desenvolvimento da histórica foi em maior parte imprevisível para mim e a conclusão foi satisfatória, respondendo todas as minhas perguntas razoavelmente bem.
Não houveram muitos pontos negativos para mim, os únicos que posso apontar foram mais uma questão de gosto pessoal: gosto de um pouco mais de ação em livros de Fantasia, mas compreendo porque Sanderson concentrou a ação no fim; as tentativas de humor durante a história foram um pouco embaraçosamente executadas, apesar de terem sido importantes para mostrar personagens desenvolvendo laços; Por último, o que já havia mencionado, seja pela edição de áudio ou pela narração, em conjunção com o enredo de passo lento e pouca ação fizeram com que eu tivesse a sensação de que a história era muito mais longa do que realmente era.
Um ponto ambíguo foi o personagem Dilaf, porque por muito tempo no livro eu considerei o personagem muito interessante e assustador. Por ser fanático religioso o personagem parecia não ter limites para seu ódio. Isso para mim, por causa de minhas experiências pessoais com fanatismo religioso, é bastante assustador. Contudo, no final o fanatismo religioso foi na verdade revelado ter por base o desejo de vingança por uma perda sofrida, e de certa forma Dilaf perdeu, em minha opinião, a aura de perigo e imprevisibilidade. Acho q foi um ótimo personagem que se perdeu um pouco na conclusão.
Minha opinião geral é que foi uma história de intriga política e religiosa bem escrita e com personagens interessantes, contudo a sensação de lentidão da história me impede der dar uma nota maior. Desta forma dou 4 estrelas.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Child death, Chronic illness, Death, Death of parent, Dementia, Fire/Fire injury, Genocide, Kidnapping, Murder, Religious bigotry, Torture, and Violence
Moderate: Ableism, Colonisation, and Confinement
Minor: Cannibalism
The Dementia TW is not for Dementia as we know, but for a chronic state in which some characters went into when they would lose all grasp of reality and be lost in their own minds and suffering indefinitly.