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kal517's review against another edition
dark
emotional
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Blood, Murder, Death, and Violence
Moderate: Torture and Gun violence
lizziaha's review against another edition
dark
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
4.5
The sheer breadth of this book is very impressive. There are so many moving parts and ve schwab manages to weave them together so intricately. That being said, because there are so many moving parts, there are still some loose threads that I desperately want to pull. I’m not sure if there will ever be another book, but I want one!!!! Part of the reason that these books are so compelling is because they have a very Batman-villainesque feeling to them and there’s not really a hero to hang your hopes on, so you have to decide which of your morals you will set aside as you choose who to root for.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Torture, Violence, Body horror, Death, Child abuse, Medical content, Physical abuse, Chronic illness, Confinement, Gore, Fire/Fire injury, Murder, Self harm, Blood, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Injury/Injury detail, Medical trauma, Misogyny, Sexism, and Terminal illness
Moderate: Infidelity, Animal death, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Religious bigotry, Drug abuse, Kidnapping, and Suicidal thoughts
Minor: Addiction
jwells's review against another edition
dark
emotional
fast-paced
I don't know how to review Vicious and Vengeful, except that I read them practically compulsively, and could hardly put them down. I don't usually like an antihero, or a book that is lean on likeable characters, but that didn't seem to apply to these.
I finished Vengeful thinking about Brandon Sanderson's sliding scales of protagonists: likeability, competence, and proactivity. He says that if you are sliding one of them down, you can compensate by sliding the others up. If all of them are low, readers lose interest in your protagonist. Victor is extremely high on proactivity. I also thought, there might be another scale for vulnerability: both Victor and Eli discover in this book that they are far from invulnerable, in spite of their superpowers, and that also makes them more sympathetic and interesting as protagonists.
I finished Vengeful thinking about Brandon Sanderson's sliding scales of protagonists: likeability, competence, and proactivity. He says that if you are sliding one of them down, you can compensate by sliding the others up. If all of them are low, readers lose interest in your protagonist. Victor is extremely high on proactivity. I also thought, there might be another scale for vulnerability: both Victor and Eli discover in this book that they are far from invulnerable, in spite of their superpowers, and that also makes them more sympathetic and interesting as protagonists.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Torture, and Medical trauma
As in the first book, some deaths that are temporary, and others that are permanent._persephone's review against another edition
dark
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? N/A
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Medical trauma, Murder, Physical abuse, Death, Violence, and Torture
Moderate: Sexual content and Sexism
Minor: Animal death
blackferrum's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
Actual rating: 3,8
Mixed feeling banget buku ini. Ada bagian-bagian yang menurutku pribadi epic, ada sebagian lainnya yang terkesan overshowing sampai penyelesaian masalahnya terkesan biasa aja.
Bagian paling epic (dan mungkin paling kuinget sampai sekarang) menurutku waktu Mitch nanya, "Sekarang apa?" hmmm, karena di buku pertama tujuan Vic jelas apa dan ending-nya juga udah tercapai. Bisa dibilang, Vic hidup buat tujuan itu. Sekarang, lima tahun kemudian, dia mau apa? Eli juga udah "kena". Terus aku mikir, ini buku mau dibawa ke mana, ya? Eli secara teknis udah nggak bisa ke mana-mana. Kalaupun dia nongol, nggak bisa lagi jadi star seperti buku satu.
Well, mungkin agak terlambat. Ini bukan spoiler, yaw. Karena di bukunya jelas banget ini seri, jadi harus baca buku pertama biar paham gimana-gimananya. Even blurb di buku kedua juga ada keterangan Vic kenapa dan Eli kenapa.
Oke, lanjut dulu. Banyak banget bagian yang aku tandai. Sampai satu warna nyisa satu lembar aja wkwkwk oke super enggak penting. Intinya, buku ini jelas sempet bikin otakku huru-hara. Kemunculan LB baru, kemunculan LB lama yang nggak kesorot di buku satu, dsb, dsb. Penulis bikin konflik baru buat Vic. Jadi, walaupun tujuan utamanya bukan Eli lagi, dia tetap punya tujuan di buku kedua ini. Kasihan sama dia sebenernya, kayak apa ya dia sendiri tuh aslinya tersiksa dan apa yang dia lakuin ke LB-LB lain juga nggak bisa dibenarkan. Doi parah, sih. Pantes Sydney sedih Vic harus berbuat "sejauh" itu.
Ada banyak yang belum terjelaskan. Kayak, ofc, kenapa June tiba-tiba nongol dan bisa punya bonding kuat sama Sydney. Apa mereka pernah ketemu sebelumnya? Atau June punya hubungan khusus dengan Serena, kakak Sydney?Masa dia bisa jadi Angie juga. Emang doi LB lebih senior dari Vic sama Eli?
Ada juga ONL, gebrakan baru dari Stell, tapi duh, gore juga ini buku. Tag dewasa di bagian belakang buku (atas kode batang) nggak boleh diabaikan, sih. Mesti hati-hati banget. Sampe stres daku bacanya.
Bagian-bagian yang sayang banget adalah: aksi balas dendam Marcella. Yep, si LB baru ini kemampuan korosifnya nggak main-main. Kalo dia mau, dia bisa bikin orang (sampe ke baju-bajunya) jadi abu. Dan setelah diskusi dengan teman bacaku, kehadiran Marce di sini kayak angin lalu. Hal yang nggak konsisten sama blurb-nya. Siapa pun yang baca pasti ngira cewek ini datang sebagai saingan Vic-Eli. Well, enggak salah sih, tapi motivasinya nggak kuat. Malah kayak jalan sendiri-sendiri. Vic justru punya tujuan sendiri, Eli pun begitu. Marce malah kayak pengganggu nggak penting dan haus perhatian. Kalo selama ini LB menyembunyikan eksistensi mereka, Marce sebaliknya. Dia bangga jadi LB.
Marce tuh gambaran korban misoginis menurutku. Semasa dia hidup nggak dianggap, cuma jadi pajangan. Ketika ingin kasih ide dan pendapat malah disuruh diam. Jadi, ya saat tujuannya tercapai dia nggak bisa cuma melenggang gitu aja. Justru ini saatnya dia show-off. And sometimes it feel annoyed, actually. Bagian yang mengadudomba Vic dan Eli nggak lagi relevan karena tanpa Marce pun, Eli tetap akan kabur dan Vic akan tetap kejar dia.
Astaga susah banget mau reviu secara proper karena buku ini kompleks banget. Too much focuses. Banyak karakter dan masing-masing punya tujuan sendiri. Eh, pribadi maksudku, karena kan selain hubungannya antar karakter, ada goals yang mesti dicapai. Dan June adalah orang paling enggak jelas di sini. Maumu apa, hey, asalmu dari mana? :'(((
Jelas nggak nunggu buku ketiga terbit dan diterjemahkan, yang entah kapan omong-omong. Oh iya, terjemahan di buku ini 50:50. Ada bagian yang susah buat dipahami kalo nggak betul2 konsentrasi.
Mixed feeling banget buku ini. Ada bagian-bagian yang menurutku pribadi epic, ada sebagian lainnya yang terkesan overshowing sampai penyelesaian masalahnya terkesan biasa aja.
Bagian paling epic (dan mungkin paling kuinget sampai sekarang) menurutku waktu Mitch nanya, "Sekarang apa?" hmmm, karena di buku pertama tujuan Vic jelas apa dan ending-nya juga udah tercapai. Bisa dibilang, Vic hidup buat tujuan itu. Sekarang, lima tahun kemudian, dia mau apa? Eli juga udah "kena". Terus aku mikir, ini buku mau dibawa ke mana, ya? Eli secara teknis udah nggak bisa ke mana-mana. Kalaupun dia nongol, nggak bisa lagi jadi star seperti buku satu.
Well, mungkin agak terlambat. Ini bukan spoiler, yaw. Karena di bukunya jelas banget ini seri, jadi harus baca buku pertama biar paham gimana-gimananya. Even blurb di buku kedua juga ada keterangan Vic kenapa dan Eli kenapa.
Oke, lanjut dulu. Banyak banget bagian yang aku tandai. Sampai satu warna nyisa satu lembar aja wkwkwk oke super enggak penting. Intinya, buku ini jelas sempet bikin otakku huru-hara. Kemunculan LB baru, kemunculan LB lama yang nggak kesorot di buku satu, dsb, dsb. Penulis bikin konflik baru buat Vic. Jadi, walaupun tujuan utamanya bukan Eli lagi, dia tetap punya tujuan di buku kedua ini. Kasihan sama dia sebenernya, kayak apa ya dia sendiri tuh aslinya tersiksa dan apa yang dia lakuin ke LB-LB lain juga nggak bisa dibenarkan. Doi parah, sih. Pantes Sydney sedih Vic harus berbuat "sejauh" itu.
Ada banyak yang belum terjelaskan. Kayak, ofc, kenapa June tiba-tiba nongol dan bisa punya bonding kuat sama Sydney. Apa mereka pernah ketemu sebelumnya? Atau June punya hubungan khusus dengan Serena, kakak Sydney?
Ada juga ONL, gebrakan baru dari Stell, tapi duh, gore juga ini buku. Tag dewasa di bagian belakang buku (atas kode batang) nggak boleh diabaikan, sih. Mesti hati-hati banget. Sampe stres daku bacanya.
Bagian-bagian yang sayang banget adalah: aksi balas dendam Marcella. Yep, si LB baru ini kemampuan korosifnya nggak main-main. Kalo dia mau, dia bisa bikin orang (sampe ke baju-bajunya) jadi abu. Dan setelah diskusi dengan teman bacaku, kehadiran Marce di sini kayak angin lalu. Hal yang nggak konsisten sama blurb-nya. Siapa pun yang baca pasti ngira cewek ini datang sebagai saingan Vic-Eli. Well, enggak salah sih, tapi motivasinya nggak kuat. Malah kayak jalan sendiri-sendiri. Vic justru punya tujuan sendiri, Eli pun begitu. Marce malah kayak pengganggu nggak penting dan haus perhatian. Kalo selama ini LB menyembunyikan eksistensi mereka, Marce sebaliknya. Dia bangga jadi LB.
Marce tuh gambaran korban misoginis menurutku. Semasa dia hidup nggak dianggap, cuma jadi pajangan. Ketika ingin kasih ide dan pendapat malah disuruh diam. Jadi, ya saat tujuannya tercapai dia nggak bisa cuma melenggang gitu aja. Justru ini saatnya dia show-off. And sometimes it feel annoyed, actually. Bagian yang mengadudomba Vic dan Eli nggak lagi relevan karena tanpa Marce pun, Eli tetap akan kabur dan Vic akan tetap kejar dia.
Astaga susah banget mau reviu secara proper karena buku ini kompleks banget. Too much focuses. Banyak karakter dan masing-masing punya tujuan sendiri. Eh, pribadi maksudku, karena kan selain hubungannya antar karakter, ada goals yang mesti dicapai. Dan June adalah orang paling enggak jelas di sini. Maumu apa, hey, asalmu dari mana? :'(((
Jelas nggak nunggu buku ketiga terbit dan diterjemahkan, yang entah kapan omong-omong. Oh iya, terjemahan di buku ini 50:50. Ada bagian yang susah buat dipahami kalo nggak betul2 konsentrasi.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Physical abuse, Body horror, Murder, Injury/Injury detail, Fire/Fire injury, Violence, Death, and Gore
Moderate: Animal death and Misogyny
megb64's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Gun violence, Medical content, Torture, Violence, Death of parent, Misogyny, Murder, Blood, Drug use, Sexism, Confinement, Death, Fire/Fire injury, Domestic abuse, and War
Minor: Physical abuse, Religious bigotry, Child death, Police brutality, and Rape
idroplungs's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
mysterious
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
The majority of the book is not as good as the first. Too many characters being followed and too many moving pieces making it too easy to put down. Stick with it though as the ending is surely worth it since the last 80pages flew by without being able to stop it. Schwab's EOs are an amazing twist on super heroes or super villains, keeping the line blurry is what keeps it interesting.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Gun violence, Death, Murder, Violence, Medical trauma, and Domestic abuse
Moderate: Self harm and Fire/Fire injury
Minor: Cursing and Animal death
megj23's review against another edition
dark
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Death, Blood, Injury/Injury detail, Cursing, Animal death, and Fire/Fire injury
emrosch's review
adventurous
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
I LOVED Vicious, so I was really excited to read Vengeful (even though I loved the ending of Vicious and felt no need for a second part). I liked it, but not as much as Vicious.
I feel like the premise & first couple of chapters of this book promised it to be something different so I was a little disappointed in how it turned out. It wasn't a bad book tho! I still enjoyed it. Just wasn't what I expected.
I did however love how we got more insight on Eli's character, his thought process and beliefs.
Victor has become one of my favourite characters ever, I love him sm.
I feel like the premise & first couple of chapters of this book promised it to be something different so I was a little disappointed in how it turned out. It wasn't a bad book tho! I still enjoyed it. Just wasn't what I expected.
I did however love how we got more insight on Eli's character, his thought process and beliefs.
Victor has become one of my favourite characters ever, I love him sm.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror and Death
frankieclc's review against another edition
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Blood and Death
Moderate: Torture, Animal death, Self harm, Murder, and Violence