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Beren und Lúthien: Mit Illustrationen von Alan Lee
Hans-Ulrich Möhring, Alan Lee, J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien, Helmut W. Pesch
3.95 AVERAGE
775 reviews for:
Beren und Lúthien: Mit Illustrationen von Alan Lee
Hans-Ulrich Möhring, Alan Lee, J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien, Helmut W. Pesch
3.95 AVERAGE
4 stars
Although excellent, this book is not for those who are just now beginning to dive into Tolkien's work. I would suggest reading both The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion before reading this. Especially The Silmarillion due to the fact that it is there we are first introduced to the protagonists listed in the title and their tale regarding all that that occurs in The Silmarillion itself.
The tale of Beren and Luthien tells the story of two people Luthien (an elf/fay/faerie depending on the version) and Beren (a man) and their love in the midst of obstacles such as Luthien's father not allowing them to wed until Beren can get the Silmaril (the super magical stone created by Feanor) from Morgoth and bring it to him. So...a death quest basically. Because Morgoth is the super evil god guy. But Luthien's father fails to take into account that maybe his daughter is freaking fantastic and will do anything to help Beren. But honestly, its the adventure of the story and the cleverness of Luthien and the spectacular villains that make the story for me. The romance is more meh.
This book is an excellent addition to the works of Tolkien and look into the mind of a great author and the development of the story. Although the poetry got a bit dense and boring for me, I found the first part of the story where it talks of the earliest version of the story very interesting though it doesn't reach a solid ending.
Not only is Luthien a badass female protagonist, her willingness and bravery to save her love Beren brings about a marvelous story featuring new and old characters from The Silmarillion. Her sidekick is the familiar and lovable giant dog Huan as they go up against a similarly giant cat named Tuvildo, The Lord of Cats who makes a very interesting villain I wish we had had more of in The Silmarillion. In the end, there is death and much blood and limb losing and it all centers around an elf on an impossible heist to get back her lover. Of course, there is much more to the story, but those were my highlights.
As for the romance, I felt it way to insta-love and based on the mere fact that Beren thought Luthien was a good dancer and she hadn't ever really had anyone who thought she was a good dancer before so she fell in love with him too. (???) So, not my favorite ship ever but their devotion to one another throughout the story really made the characters (especially Luthien) new favorites.
Again, an excellent addition to Tolkien's work but not one I would recommend to a first time Tolkien reader.
Although excellent, this book is not for those who are just now beginning to dive into Tolkien's work. I would suggest reading both The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion before reading this. Especially The Silmarillion due to the fact that it is there we are first introduced to the protagonists listed in the title and their tale regarding all that that occurs in The Silmarillion itself.
The tale of Beren and Luthien tells the story of two people Luthien (an elf/fay/faerie depending on the version) and Beren (a man) and their love in the midst of obstacles such as Luthien's father not allowing them to wed until Beren can get the Silmaril (the super magical stone created by Feanor) from Morgoth and bring it to him. So...a death quest basically. Because Morgoth is the super evil god guy. But Luthien's father fails to take into account that maybe his daughter is freaking fantastic and will do anything to help Beren. But honestly, its the adventure of the story and the cleverness of Luthien and the spectacular villains that make the story for me. The romance is more meh.
This book is an excellent addition to the works of Tolkien and look into the mind of a great author and the development of the story. Although the poetry got a bit dense and boring for me, I found the first part of the story where it talks of the earliest version of the story very interesting though it doesn't reach a solid ending.
Not only is Luthien a badass female protagonist, her willingness and bravery to save her love Beren brings about a marvelous story featuring new and old characters from The Silmarillion. Her sidekick is the familiar and lovable giant dog Huan as they go up against a similarly giant cat named Tuvildo, The Lord of Cats who makes a very interesting villain I wish we had had more of in The Silmarillion. In the end, there is death and much blood and limb losing and it all centers around an elf on an impossible heist to get back her lover. Of course, there is much more to the story, but those were my highlights.
As for the romance, I felt it way to insta-love and based on the mere fact that Beren thought Luthien was a good dancer and she hadn't ever really had anyone who thought she was a good dancer before so she fell in love with him too. (???) So, not my favorite ship ever but their devotion to one another throughout the story really made the characters (especially Luthien) new favorites.
Again, an excellent addition to Tolkien's work but not one I would recommend to a first time Tolkien reader.
Tanto este livro quanto "A Queda de Gondolin" são livros similares e duas metades de uma grande história: a lenda de Eärendil e Elwing. Digo que este livro e o sobre Gondolin são duas metades da mesma história por aqui vemos a linhagem que resultará no nascimento de Elwing. Enquanto em Gondolin vemos o nascimento de Eärendil.
Se busca uma história única, em versão final, este não é o livro certo para você. Neste caso pegue os básicos do Tolkien (Hobbit, Senhor dos Anéis, Simarillion).
Ambos são livros inacabados, reunindo diversas versões escritas por Tolkien ao longo dos anos.
Este livro é maravilhoso (e também A Queda de Gondolin) para vermos o estilo de Tolkien tomando forma e seu processo de escrita. Primeiro temos uma história mais simples, sem muito envolvimento com o restante do universo criado por Tolkien. E com o passar das versões vemos os floreios sendo adicionados, conexões sendo traçadas. Alguns aspectos que foram evoluindo achei bem legais, dentre eles:
- O cão Huan. Que na primeira versão fala livremente, e cujo ato de falar vai se tornando mais raro (e com isso mais significativo) com o passar das versões. Vemos também a história de Huan ganhar uma profecia com o tempo, ganhando uma camada a mais de complexidade para o personagem.
- A ordem das desventuras de Beren. A sequencia é basicamente a mesma em todas as histórias. Por exemplo, existe um momento em que Beren é feito prisioneiro. Mas a natureza desse aprisionamento vai mudando com as versões, ganhando mais maturidade e complexidade. Claramente a história vai amadurecendo com o tempo.
- A importância das Silmarils também vai evoluindo. Inicialmente aparece como algo precioso, mas sem tanta profundidade. Mas com o passar das versões vemos sua importância ser ressaltada cada vez mais e impactar vários pontos da história.
Um detalhe que fica na mente é: adoraria ver tanto este livro quanto o outro em uma versão final. Mas compreendo perfeitamente a decisão de não modificar a escrita original. Assim, caso o leitor deseje, que faça sua versão final. Já sabendo que nada será tão majestoso quanto a história que poderia ter sido escrita por Tolkien.
Se busca uma história única, em versão final, este não é o livro certo para você. Neste caso pegue os básicos do Tolkien (Hobbit, Senhor dos Anéis, Simarillion).
Ambos são livros inacabados, reunindo diversas versões escritas por Tolkien ao longo dos anos.
Este livro é maravilhoso (e também A Queda de Gondolin) para vermos o estilo de Tolkien tomando forma e seu processo de escrita. Primeiro temos uma história mais simples, sem muito envolvimento com o restante do universo criado por Tolkien. E com o passar das versões vemos os floreios sendo adicionados, conexões sendo traçadas. Alguns aspectos que foram evoluindo achei bem legais, dentre eles:
- O cão Huan. Que na primeira versão fala livremente, e cujo ato de falar vai se tornando mais raro (e com isso mais significativo) com o passar das versões. Vemos também a história de Huan ganhar uma profecia com o tempo, ganhando uma camada a mais de complexidade para o personagem.
- A ordem das desventuras de Beren. A sequencia é basicamente a mesma em todas as histórias. Por exemplo, existe um momento em que Beren é feito prisioneiro. Mas a natureza desse aprisionamento vai mudando com as versões, ganhando mais maturidade e complexidade. Claramente a história vai amadurecendo com o tempo.
- A importância das Silmarils também vai evoluindo. Inicialmente aparece como algo precioso, mas sem tanta profundidade. Mas com o passar das versões vemos sua importância ser ressaltada cada vez mais e impactar vários pontos da história.
Um detalhe que fica na mente é: adoraria ver tanto este livro quanto o outro em uma versão final. Mas compreendo perfeitamente a decisão de não modificar a escrita original. Assim, caso o leitor deseje, que faça sua versão final. Já sabendo que nada será tão majestoso quanto a história que poderia ter sido escrita por Tolkien.
I found this read very confusing and frustrating. I was craving a classic middle earth romance from the amazing world of Tolkien; a forbidden love story between man and elf but this did not deliver in the way I expected. I stopped about 33% of the way through. The secondary half of this book was a very long and confusing poem that was another 150 pages long and felt like it wasn’t necessary to the story. I just wanted a killer romantic/fantasy epic and only about 25% of this book was actually a story. The other 75% was Christopher Tolkien nit-picking apart his dad’s journals and notes and attempting to piece together the bits and pieces of Beren and Luthien while telling some long winded history of middle earth. Ultimately the parts of this book worth reading were inevitably quite short and I did not feel the need to finish the rest. I really wanted to like this book, in fact I admire classic fantasy like Tolkien and I was utterly disappointed that this story was not what I thought it was.
fast-paced
Really enjoyed the poetry but felt a little repetitive at times but was still pretty solid
Good stuff. Not a page turner, exactly, more of a deep dive into a single myth from multiple angles, but a rich and rewarding dive at that.
If you really just want to read the tale of Beren and Luthien in more detail (and/or pretend it was completed to the fullest extent Tolkien intended), you may simply want to splice together the Lay of Leithian sections of this book with the relevant chapters of the Silmarillion.
However, read straightforwardly, from beginning to end, Beren and Luthien is a fascinating and illuminating exploration into the process of storytelling, writing, editing, and revision, from the almost comedic early version featuring Tevildo Prince of Cats to the austerity and majesty of the revisions following the publication of The Lord of the Rings.
If you really just want to read the tale of Beren and Luthien in more detail (and/or pretend it was completed to the fullest extent Tolkien intended), you may simply want to splice together the Lay of Leithian sections of this book with the relevant chapters of the Silmarillion.
However, read straightforwardly, from beginning to end, Beren and Luthien is a fascinating and illuminating exploration into the process of storytelling, writing, editing, and revision, from the almost comedic early version featuring Tevildo Prince of Cats to the austerity and majesty of the revisions following the publication of The Lord of the Rings.
adventurous
emotional
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
A mix
Strong character development:
Complicated
Loveable characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
No
informative
reflective
sad
slow-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
Plot
Strong character development:
No
Loveable characters:
Complicated
Diverse cast of characters:
No
Flaws of characters a main focus:
No
It’s Tolkien, what do you want from me
It's very cool to see many iterations of the same story presented together in this way, especially since it was written in both poetry and prose. Christopher structured the book pretty effectively to show the evolution of the story but also add detail to the narrative as the book progressed. To some extent, I wanted more of the history of the story alluded to throughout the book, but that's already present in HoME, and this book accomplishes what it set out to do successfully.
Much like the The Children of Hurin, I could not get into this book.
I'm just looking for the magic of lord of the rings, or the Hobbit, and I know that's not fair. but I can't help it.
I'm just looking for the magic of lord of the rings, or the Hobbit, and I know that's not fair. but I can't help it.
adventurous
emotional
informative
reflective
medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
A mix
Strong character development:
Complicated
Loveable characters:
Complicated
Diverse cast of characters:
Complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus:
Complicated