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Heard about this on NPR- a theory about how we all need a "tribe" to belong to, but he uses soldiers coming home and missing their unit plus the numerous instances of whites joining Native American tribes willingly back in the 1800s as evidence. Short and interesting.
A solid collection of essays reflecting on belonging, community, meaning, and connection in the modern, Western world.
This was worth the read for me - great moderate perspective. Sometimes the way he used data made me uncomfortable though. Junger was not interested in writing an academic book, and caveats his entire work with that, but at the same time, he attempts to use so much data to add gravitas to his thesis. My biggest takeaway - the reminder about the ways in which we are biologically primates. I also loved the way he explained how psychologists understand PTSD, like depression and grief, to be exacerbated by particular factors, but that PTSD tends to diminish with time.
As to data -- there was one interesting parallel with a stat used in Isabel Wilkerson's Caste. Higher educated people who reside in the US who identify as "Hispanic" have higher rates of depression than recently immigrated individuals for whom English is a second language. (loosely speaking - not exact quote on the study outcome). From this, Junger draws the conclusion that the close-knit community environment that often is incumbent with a migrant status makes people feel more connected. That's quite a logical jump from that information. Wilkerson's Caste draws on several studies that link overall negative health effects to caste differences, e.g. if you discount wealth, occupation, etc., there are many negative health effects to simply having a status in the US as being perceived as Black. Wilkerson then uses this same stat to explain how English speakers, more integrated into professional American society, likely are impacted by microaggressions that make them feel less integrated -- i.e., the difference in depression rates is not purely the difference of internal joy from connection with others (in a migrant community), but there's also the impact of interactions with greater society that can make us experience stigmatic harm to such a non-negligible level that it can measurably affect health. Likely both are factors, but neither Wilkerson nor Junger discuss this data in relation to one another's thesis.
Misc:
- Junger's logical leaps get especially dicey and unjustified in his discussions of sexual divisions in risk-taking. See p. 56 ("Given the disproportionately high value of female reproduction to any society, risking male lives to save female lives makes enormous evolutionary sense.").
- Nit and quibble - Junger described the 2008 financial crisis as the result of "illegal and unwise banking practice" - I would say it was the result of legal banking practices that were wise from the banks' and particular investors' perspectives, who had great personal outcomes. The 2008 crisis shined a light on things that should be illegal.
- Junger could have also improved how he discusses different Native American societal organizations, because there is a much bigger variety than his anecdotes elide. There were monarchies on this continent, Mr. Junger!
As to data -- there was one interesting parallel with a stat used in Isabel Wilkerson's Caste. Higher educated people who reside in the US who identify as "Hispanic" have higher rates of depression than recently immigrated individuals for whom English is a second language. (loosely speaking - not exact quote on the study outcome). From this, Junger draws the conclusion that the close-knit community environment that often is incumbent with a migrant status makes people feel more connected. That's quite a logical jump from that information. Wilkerson's Caste draws on several studies that link overall negative health effects to caste differences, e.g. if you discount wealth, occupation, etc., there are many negative health effects to simply having a status in the US as being perceived as Black. Wilkerson then uses this same stat to explain how English speakers, more integrated into professional American society, likely are impacted by microaggressions that make them feel less integrated -- i.e., the difference in depression rates is not purely the difference of internal joy from connection with others (in a migrant community), but there's also the impact of interactions with greater society that can make us experience stigmatic harm to such a non-negligible level that it can measurably affect health. Likely both are factors, but neither Wilkerson nor Junger discuss this data in relation to one another's thesis.
Misc:
- Junger's logical leaps get especially dicey and unjustified in his discussions of sexual divisions in risk-taking. See p. 56 ("Given the disproportionately high value of female reproduction to any society, risking male lives to save female lives makes enormous evolutionary sense.").
- Nit and quibble - Junger described the 2008 financial crisis as the result of "illegal and unwise banking practice" - I would say it was the result of legal banking practices that were wise from the banks' and particular investors' perspectives, who had great personal outcomes. The 2008 crisis shined a light on things that should be illegal.
- Junger could have also improved how he discusses different Native American societal organizations, because there is a much bigger variety than his anecdotes elide. There were monarchies on this continent, Mr. Junger!
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During disasters there is a net gain in well-being.Absolutely fascinating.
A brief, deeply researched book that expands on an article Junger wrote, it examines the evidence that people seem to feel more meaning and contentment during times of catastrophe and war than during ordinary times. Junger's contention is that this is so because it's in these moments people feel most connected to each other. The barriers and classifications that keep us apart in standard society are gone, and we become freer to identify with each other and work together with common purpose, which makes us happier. Whether we know it or not, people want tribes to belong to. Junger makes his case clearly and strongly--though leaves room for a companion volume exploring the implications of the conclusion and what we should do with the information.
It has me thinking.
More from Junger:
Self-determination theory . . . holds that human beings need three basic things in order to be content: they need to feel competent at what they do; they need to feel authentic in their lives; and they need to feel connected to others. These values are considered "intrinsic" to human happiness and far outweigh "extrinsic" values such as beauty, money, and status.
Bluntly put, modern society seems to emphasize extrinsic values over intrinsic ones, and as a result, mental health issues refuse to decline with growing wealth. The more assimilated a person is into American society, the more likely they are to develop depression during the course of their lifetime, regardless of what ethnicity they are.
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Fritz's theory was that modern society has gravely disrupted the social bonds that have always characterized human experience, and that disasters thrust people back into a more ancient, organic way of relating. Disasters, he proposed, create a "community of sufferers" that allows individuals to experience an immensely reassuring connection to others. As people come together to face an existential threat, Fritz found, class differences are temporarily erased, income disparities become irrelevant, race is overlooked, and individuals are assessed simply by what they are willing to do for the group. It is a kind of fleeting social utopia that, Fritz felt, is enormously gratifying to the average person and downright therapeutic to people suffering from mental illness.
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What catastrophes seem to do--sometimes in the span of a few minutes--is turn back the clock on ten thousand years of social evolution. Self-interest gets subsumed into group interest because there is no survival outside group survival, and that creates a social bond that many people sorely miss.
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If war were purely and absolutely bad in every single aspect and toxic in all its effects, it would probably not happen as often as it does. But in addition to all the destruction and loss of life, war also inspires ancient human virtues of courage, loyalty, and selflessness that can be utterly intoxicating to the people who experience them.
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"For the first time in [our] lives . . . we were in a tribal sort of situation where we could help each other without fear. . . . There were fifteen men to a gun. You had fifteen guys who for the first time in their lives were not living in a competitive society. We had no hopes of becoming officers. I liked that feeling very much . . . It was the absence of competition and boundaries and all those phony standards that created that thing I loved about the Army."
Adversity often leads people to depend more on one another, and that closeness can produce a kind of nostalgia for the hard times that even civilians are susceptible to.
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There are many costs to modern society, starting with its toll on the global ecosystem and working one's way down to its toll on the human psyche, but the most dangerous loss may be to community. If the human race is under threat in some way that we don't yet understand, it will probably be at a community level that we either solve the problem or fail to. . . .
Two of the behaviors that set early humans apart were the systematic sharing of food and altruistic group defense. . . . The earliest and most basic definition of community--of tribe--would be the group of people that you would both help feed and help defend. A society that doesn't offer its members the chance to act selflessly in these ways isn't a society in any tribal sense of the word; it's just a political entity that, lacking enemies, will probably fall apart on its own.
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It's hard to know how to live for a country that regularly tears itself apart along every possible ethnic and demographic boundary. The income gap between rich and poor continues to widen, many people live in racially segregated communities, the elderly are mostly sequestered from public life, and rampage shootings happen so regularly that they only remain in the news cycle for a day or two. To make matters worse, politicians occasionally accuse rivals of deliberately trying to harm their own country--a charge so destructive to group unity that most past societies would probably have just punished it as a form of treason. It's complete madness . . .
We live in a society that is basically at war with itself. People speak with incredible contempt about--depending on their views--the rich, the poor, the educated, the foreign-born, the president, or the entire US government. It's a level of contempt that is usually reserved for enemies in wartime, except now it's applied to our fellow citizens. Unlike criticism, contempt is particularly toxic because it assumes a moral superiority in the speaker. Contempt is often directed at people who have been excluded from a group or declared unworthy of its benefits. Contempt is often used by governments to provide rhetorical cover for torture or abuse. Contempt is one of four behaviors that, statistically, can predict divorce in married couples. People who speak with contempt for one another will probably not remain united for long.
The most alarming rhetoric comes out of the dispute between liberals and conservatives, and it's a dangerous waste of time because they're both right. The perennial conservative concern about high taxes supporting a nonworking "underclass" has entirely legitimate roots in our evolutionary past and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Early hominids lived a precarious existence where freeloaders were a direct threat to survival, and so they developed an exceedingly acute sense of whether they were being taken advantage of by members of their own group. But by the same token, one of the hallmarks of early human society was the emergence of a culture of compassion that cared for the ill, the elderly, the wounded, and the unlucky. In today's terms, that is a common liberal concern that also has to be taken into account. Those two driving forces have coexisted for hundreds of thousands of years in human society and have been duly codified in this country as a two-party political system. The eternal argument over so-called entitlement programs--and, more broadly, over liberal and conservative thought--will never be resolved because each side represents an ancient and absolutely essential component of our evolutionary past.
Not sure why this deeply flawed, idiosyncratic little book has been so popular. It begins with a remarkably simplistic, romanticized view of native cultures before wandering somewhat aimlessly towards a conclusion that reaches little of any significance. Most of Junger's amateurish analyses have been addressed elsewhere far better than Junger does in "Tribe."
Junger does make some very good points about how poorly we treat war veterans once they return home. Junger seems to think a more tribally oriented society might help these vets, by which he seems to mean empathetic. Perhaps. By all means we should be more understanding of what our veterans may have gone through. Better yet, though, would be to quit sending young men off to war. I don't think Junger would agree.
Junger does make some very good points about how poorly we treat war veterans once they return home. Junger seems to think a more tribally oriented society might help these vets, by which he seems to mean empathetic. Perhaps. By all means we should be more understanding of what our veterans may have gone through. Better yet, though, would be to quit sending young men off to war. I don't think Junger would agree.
Interesting insight
I enjoyed this book immensely. I have Amerindian ancestry as well as veterans in my family so I understood a great deal of what the author was expressing. It was a quick read but very thought provoking.
I enjoyed this book immensely. I have Amerindian ancestry as well as veterans in my family so I understood a great deal of what the author was expressing. It was a quick read but very thought provoking.
This book is a must-read.
It's well-researched, with insights that only someone like Sebastian Junger - who's faced and shared unimaginable human suffering and heroism - can draw from science and history.
On top of all that, Junger weaves compelling stories throughout and shows how his experiences and his research can impact my life and business.
This is a book I'll read again and again and again.
It's well-researched, with insights that only someone like Sebastian Junger - who's faced and shared unimaginable human suffering and heroism - can draw from science and history.
On top of all that, Junger weaves compelling stories throughout and shows how his experiences and his research can impact my life and business.
This is a book I'll read again and again and again.
I read this book because it was assigned reading for all students and teachers at my school I found this book problematic on several levels. There are inconsistencies [ex. claims to have turned 18 when "the Vietnam War had just ended" (p. 36), but the author turned 18 in 1980...]. He makes sweeping and gross generalizations that I think are, at best reductive and lack an understanding of social and cultural diversity. The book was originally published in 2016 and already reads as dated. Much of what he write about "rampage killings" is simply no longer true. This book desperately needs an update, or it should not be assigned as reading, and certainly not for high school students.
Also, just because one person tells you that "American Indian" is an appropriate term, perhaps you should do more research. The way Junger speaks of indigenous people, their communities, and their ritual reeks of cultural appropriation and cultural insensitivity. Just because you have one friend doesn't make you an expert.
Also, just because one person tells you that "American Indian" is an appropriate term, perhaps you should do more research. The way Junger speaks of indigenous people, their communities, and their ritual reeks of cultural appropriation and cultural insensitivity. Just because you have one friend doesn't make you an expert.