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atypicalley's review against another edition
dark
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.25
I feel like I can tell you exactly what this author reads likes based on the lines I heard repeated — once or twice, almost word for word. Like… sorry bud, you can’t near-quote LOTR without me recognizing where it came from. So, this book is born of:
-Brent Weeks
-Patrick Rothfuss
-Bloodborne
-The Witcher
And that’s not necessarily a bad thing (though it gets a bit repetitive). I think the problem for me is, the author is using pieces of stories he loves without fully understanding why they worked in other instances.
We have a “novel in a novel” format, right? Straight out of Kingkiller chronicles, but with a less charming storyteller. But structurally, the time jumps are skipping the most interesting part of the story, and losing the sense of mystery that a time jump should build. I understood everything that’d happened between the 11 year time skip within a single chapter, with no mystery, no tension. But because we’d skipped the part where the love interest *became* the love interest, I also didn’t care.
We have a dark and gritty world, where all the women are overtly described and all the sex scenes begin or end with violence. Not for any particular *reason.* In fact, I’m of the opinion that the only sex scene that had any impact on the character and led to change happened when the MC was literally a child. It feels very Game of Thrones Season 1– aiming for shock and awe, ‘we can cuss on public television, we’re sooooo tough.” Oh, and also the horse dies. Because. It’s gotta be sad. But like… we never did any adventures with the horse? We’d literally just met the horse? Dark and gritty is all well and good— I knew what I was picking up. But that only works when there is some *opposite* to balance. Dark content is dark because it shows you the light first. Sadness is born of lost love. Pain is born of lost joy. But you only ever get the formers, and not the latters. So… I just didn’t care through most of the book. Probably would’ve DNF’d if I’d been reading physically.
The female characters are picked straight out of the Witcher. Hell, so is the main character. But the Maiden/Madonna/Whore complex is in fuuuuull glory over here, and it does get tedious.
-Brent Weeks
-Patrick Rothfuss
-Bloodborne
-The Witcher
And that’s not necessarily a bad thing (though it gets a bit repetitive). I think the problem for me is, the author is using pieces of stories he loves without fully understanding why they worked in other instances.
We have a “novel in a novel” format, right? Straight out of Kingkiller chronicles, but with a less charming storyteller. But structurally, the time jumps are skipping the most interesting part of the story, and losing the sense of mystery that a time jump should build. I understood everything that’d happened between the 11 year time skip within a single chapter, with no mystery, no tension. But because we’d skipped the part where the love interest *became* the love interest, I also didn’t care.
We have a dark and gritty world, where all the women are overtly described and all the sex scenes begin or end with violence. Not for any particular *reason.* In fact, I’m of the opinion that the only sex scene that had any impact on the character and led to change happened when the MC was literally a child. It feels very Game of Thrones Season 1– aiming for shock and awe, ‘we can cuss on public television, we’re sooooo tough.” Oh, and also the horse dies. Because. It’s gotta be sad. But like… we never did any adventures with the horse? We’d literally just met the horse? Dark and gritty is all well and good— I knew what I was picking up. But that only works when there is some *opposite* to balance. Dark content is dark because it shows you the light first. Sadness is born of lost love. Pain is born of lost joy. But you only ever get the formers, and not the latters. So… I just didn’t care through most of the book. Probably would’ve DNF’d if I’d been reading physically.
The female characters are picked straight out of the Witcher. Hell, so is the main character. But the Maiden/Madonna/Whore complex is in fuuuuull glory over here, and it does get tedious.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Alcoholism, Child abuse, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Gore, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Rape, Sexual violence, Suicide, Violence, Blood, Religious bigotry, Murder, Alcohol, and Injury/Injury detail
exteenawreads's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
(3-4 ⭐? can't decide) I have two wolves within me: one finger-gunning and saying "Niiice, hot slutty vampires" and the other screaming "The Bechdel Test! Misogyny! Fridging!! Gross obsession with sexualizing underage kids!"
So ya, I dunno.
I think the writing was excellent, the world was immersive and thrilling, and the story compelling. The battle scenes are expertly written and many moments are truly exhilarating. The prose is beautiful and poetic, the characters are memorable and unique. I really enjoyed what was basically a randomly generated DND party of diverse folks, forced together and fighting against all odds on a quest to save the broken world. It seems to heavily take inspiration from other media I love like The Witcher and The Last of Us, though that meant I wasn't too surprised by the direction. It was just so painfully obviously written by a man the feminist in me couldn't help but cringe often. And don't get me wrong, I get that the point of showing all of this violence and hatred of women is to highlight it as toxic and wrong. But the way it's written also glorifies it, and the story isn't about fighting the patriarchy - it's about a man out for revenge and glory, his enemy just happens to also be thinly veiled patriarchy and religious zealotry.
Ex: A vampire obsessed with teenage girls and turning them to be his unwilling slaves, literally pulling his carriage all half naked? = Evil, this is a villain, we don't root for him. But the writing itself directs the reader to see these things moreso as acts of great power and strength, and the simple truth of what a man would do if they were infinite and unkillable. This vampire is described very positively as beautiful, strong, something to be respected and feared. Yes he's a villain, but I'm also not convinced the author doesn't sort of revere men like him or at least see this as the average man's ideal. And the many examples of this throughout are hard to ignore.
Overall I did really like it, I just feel a little icky about it. And I truly could have done without the underage kid sexualizing. And the animal deaths :(
So ya, I dunno.
I think the writing was excellent, the world was immersive and thrilling, and the story compelling. The battle scenes are expertly written and many moments are truly exhilarating. The prose is beautiful and poetic, the characters are memorable and unique. I really enjoyed what was basically a randomly generated DND party of diverse folks, forced together and fighting against all odds on a quest to save the broken world. It seems to heavily take inspiration from other media I love like The Witcher and The Last of Us, though that meant I wasn't too surprised by the direction. It was just so painfully obviously written by a man the feminist in me couldn't help but cringe often. And don't get me wrong, I get that the point of showing all of this violence and hatred of women is to highlight it as toxic and wrong. But the way it's written also glorifies it, and the story isn't about fighting the patriarchy - it's about a man out for revenge and glory, his enemy just happens to also be thinly veiled patriarchy and religious zealotry.
Ex: A vampire obsessed with teenage girls and turning them to be his unwilling slaves, literally pulling his carriage all half naked? = Evil, this is a villain, we don't root for him. But the writing itself directs the reader to see these things moreso as acts of great power and strength, and the simple truth of what a man would do if they were infinite and unkillable. This vampire is described very positively as beautiful, strong, something to be respected and feared. Yes he's a villain, but I'm also not convinced the author doesn't sort of revere men like him or at least see this as the average man's ideal. And the many examples of this throughout are hard to ignore.
Overall I did really like it, I just feel a little icky about it. And I truly could have done without the underage kid sexualizing. And the animal deaths :(
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal death, Death, Misogyny, Sexual violence, Violence, Blood, Religious bigotry, Murder, and Injury/Injury detail
Minor: Adult/minor relationship, Alcoholism, Animal death, Child death, Cursing, Death, Drug use, Gore, Homophobia, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Slavery, Violence, Blood, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Alcohol, and War
bookbeetlebabe's review against another edition
Misogynistic and bro-tastic. Gabriel is annoying af. Repetitive, stupid humor, with an immense focus on sexual violence.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Misogyny and Sexism
Moderate: Rape, Sexual assault, and Sexual violence
dragonheartbookworm's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
funny
informative
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
A quick note that the main reason this isn't a five star read is because there's a few times in which Kristoff alternates between character's names and an alternative title for them and it takes a bit to figure out who is who; there are also other places where the pacing moves almost too fast but that also could've been my eyes skipping lines lol
It took me forever to decide to read this book, partly because after my in-depth analysis of Interview the Vampire in college and my dislike of Twilight, I've not been the biggest fan of vampire stories. However, a few books are quickly changing my mind in that not all vampire books are the same (duh)
Kristoff takes you on quite the journey as Gabriel de Leon recounts the story of how he got to where he is. There is a lot of intense fighting, a lot of crude banter, and so much character growth.
What I found most fascinating in this book was the integration of religion into how the Silversaints were supposed to live their lives in addition to the fact that the Silversaints themselves are known as palebloods, or half-vampires.
Honestly, it's hard to explain more without spoiling a lot of the story but if you enjoy dense worldbuilding with a main character whose primary life motto is that it's better to be a bastard than a hero, then give this book a try.
Will I read book two? Yes, because I have questions. So many questions!
It took me forever to decide to read this book, partly because after my in-depth analysis of Interview the Vampire in college and my dislike of Twilight, I've not been the biggest fan of vampire stories. However, a few books are quickly changing my mind in that not all vampire books are the same (duh)
Kristoff takes you on quite the journey as Gabriel de Leon recounts the story of how he got to where he is. There is a lot of intense fighting, a lot of crude banter, and so much character growth.
What I found most fascinating in this book was the integration of religion into how the Silversaints were supposed to live their lives in addition to the fact that the Silversaints themselves are known as palebloods, or half-vampires.
Honestly, it's hard to explain more without spoiling a lot of the story but if you enjoy dense worldbuilding with a main character whose primary life motto is that it's better to be a bastard than a hero, then give this book a try.
Will I read book two? Yes, because I have questions. So many questions!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Alcoholism, Animal cruelty, Animal death, Child death, Cursing, Death, Drug abuse, Physical abuse, Sexual violence, Violence, Religious bigotry, Fire/Fire injury, War, and Injury/Injury detail
nancy_sch's review against another edition
slow-paced
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
0.25
A messy mash-up of other stories told with other people’s song lyrics, an abundance of adjectives (some of which should be adverbs) and misogynistic, homophobe swear-phrases in every other line.
For all that, the 700-odd pages are just the preamble to the actual story that’s still to come.
Hard to believe this passed a plagiarism test.
Hard to believe they’re not being sued for copyright infringements.
Hard to believe an editor checked this or publisher might think this worthy of publication.
For all that, the 700-odd pages are just the preamble to the actual story that’s still to come.
Hard to believe this passed a plagiarism test.
Hard to believe they’re not being sued for copyright infringements.
Hard to believe an editor checked this or publisher might think this worthy of publication.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Cursing, Death, Homophobia, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Rape, Sexism, Sexual violence, Torture, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, and Toxic friendship
kittybeemartin's review against another edition
I draw the line at mortally injured ponies.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal death, Child abuse, Child death, and Sexual violence
ashwyn's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
4 stars for the amazing plot, twists, world, and characters.
-1 star for the CRINGEY lines from Gabriel, a lot of Gabriel's character seeming to be ripped from Geralt's (the horse, the 'last' of his kind, the kid he picks up, etc...), and the subtle and weird misogyny (lots of rape and weirdly sexual ways female characters die, sexual violence, the way women are talked about and insulted), etc...)
-1 star for the CRINGEY lines from Gabriel, a lot of Gabriel's character seeming to be ripped from Geralt's (the horse, the 'last' of his kind, the kid he picks up, etc...), and the subtle and weird misogyny (lots of rape and weirdly sexual ways female characters die, sexual violence, the way women are talked about and insulted), etc...)
Content Warnings
Graphic: Child abuse, Child death, Gore, Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, and Murder
pacifickat's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
hopeful
mysterious
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.25
"We'd fought side by side [...], and like I said, there's a bond between men who have placed their lives in a brother's hands and asked that brother to do the same. But there's fanaticism, too. There's faith unbridled and minds unquestioning, the soldier at the order of his commander, the faithful at the word of their priest. [...] My brother trusted me not so much as once he had."
Ok, so first off, my big beef with Kristoff as a writer:
He seems to have ripped off major elements of other writers and creators, such as
Do readers who adore this book simply not recognize all the glaringly obvious borrowed plot elements, or do they enjoy the references and not mind that it makes the storyline easy to anticipate? I felt like this blunted what probably should have been the most surprising plot twists, and saw several big reveals coming a mile away, somewhat gobsmacked the author would so directly pull from other books and media. When I described some of these overlaps with other works to my husband, he asked if I thought the book was partially written by AI. (I don't believe it was, but that would exlpain the number of things pulled from existing sources.)
I also didn't really like how sanguimancy was never really explained other than it fixes a lot of problems in a pinch in the story. Feels very convenient, a very squishy element of the magic system.
Now, on to things I liked:
In the end, I still very much enjoyed the audiobook. The audio narrator did a brilliant job bringing the characters to life with various distinct accents and voice intonations. I honestly probably would have given up on the book otherwise due to all of the seeming copy/paste from works of other creators and the subsequent predictability of the storyline.
I know the author doesn't like the term, but the story is grimdark through and through, meaning no good and noble deed goes unpunished. I like what this kind of story says about those who do good in a bleak world in spite of great personal cost. Kindness and mercy are only extended at great risk. I think this is one of the most compelling things about EotV. Allowing oneself to love takes the greatest sort of courage.
I liked how Kristoff used this dark and bloody setting to explore ideas about faith, fate, fidelity, fanaticism, family, friendship, and the stubborn endurance of hope. (I know, that last one should have started with F as well.) There are elements of the One Faith, the book's thinly veiled version of Christianity, that are just as dark and frightening as the impending vampire invasion: a torturous inquisition, corporal punishments, acts of violence in the name of blind faith, fidelity to the cruel teachings and practices of church leaders, fanatical interpretations of scriptures and prophecies, and an underlying religious lore that makes sacrificing individuals for the sake of the whole an acceptable and honorable wager (in the pattern of the Christ figure they call the Redeemer). This is a world of characters caught between a rock and a hard place, each deciding what to do in the face of their humanity becoming a liability. What will they hope in? What hill will they die on? Who/what will they sacrifice for redemption? This is where the book is at its best.
The best action sequence imo was
I wish that
Anyways, that's my meandering review on this 27+ hour listen. I will likely listen to book 2 next month.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Adult/minor relationship, Animal death, Body horror, Bullying, Child abuse, Child death, Confinement, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Gore, Gun violence, Homophobia, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Sexual content, Slavery, Torture, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Kidnapping, Grief, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Outing, Toxic friendship, Sexual harassment, War, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, and Classism
Religious trauma, religious fanaticism, clergy abuse, fridged female characers, biting, eyeball injuriesmetaphorsandmisc's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Animal death, Body horror, Cursing, Drug use, Sexual content, Torture, Violence, Blood, Alcohol, and War
Moderate: Bullying, Child death, Confinement, Homophobia, Misogyny, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, and Fire/Fire injury
mauillustrations's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
1.0
Oh god… this book…
Alright, let me start this review by stating that, unlike many other readers who gave this book a low rating, I was able to somewhat enjoy the read. To a certain extent at least. Edgy, gothic, vampire stories are my guilty pleasure and I have a certain fondness for the cringy emo vibes the writing style gives. I’ve also read this book in a big vampire binge. I’m playing a Curse of Strahd game, which I am impossibly obsessed with, and I had just finished watching Castlevania (the animated tv show). So when I stumbled upon Empire of the Vampire, I was in the perfect mood for the kind of story I thought it would tell and I might’ve tunnel visioned my experience of it to satisfy my cravings.
I had fun with the general aesthetics and world building, and took interest in how the author explore the vampire mythos. I especially enjoy when vampire stories link the creature to nobility like EotV does. The different Vampire houses were an interest premise and I thought some of the quotes landed well when you don’t mind Kristoff’s emo writing style.
Alright, let me start this review by stating that, unlike many other readers who gave this book a low rating, I was able to somewhat enjoy the read. To a certain extent at least. Edgy, gothic, vampire stories are my guilty pleasure and I have a certain fondness for the cringy emo vibes the writing style gives. I’ve also read this book in a big vampire binge. I’m playing a Curse of Strahd game, which I am impossibly obsessed with, and I had just finished watching Castlevania (the animated tv show). So when I stumbled upon Empire of the Vampire, I was in the perfect mood for the kind of story I thought it would tell and I might’ve tunnel visioned my experience of it to satisfy my cravings.
I had fun with the general aesthetics and world building, and took interest in how the author explore the vampire mythos. I especially enjoy when vampire stories link the creature to nobility like EotV does. The different Vampire houses were an interest premise and I thought some of the quotes landed well when you don’t mind Kristoff’s emo writing style.
“There’s no misery so deep as one you face by yourself. No nights darker than the ones you spend alone. But you can learn to live with any weight. Your scars grow thick enough, they become armor.”
“But more, and truer still, there’s just no one with more to prove than the boy at the bottom of the pile. You feed a man your table scraps, he grows hungry long before he grows thin."
That being said, there’s still A LOT to criticize about this book…
SPOILER WARNING for both Empire of the Vampire and the Nevernight trilogy ahead.
First off, Empire of the Vampire isn’t very original. Now, that’s not always a bad thing, it doesn’t necessarily mean that reading it is boring or unpleasant, but it sure as hell feels like a lot of the overall plot was recycled from other works. The author himself said that it’s heavily inspired by Interview with a Vampire and The Name of the Wind, and it shows. There’s also a plot twist at the end that’s basically copy pasted from The Last of Us and when you think about it, the whole concept is also pretty similar to his Nevernight trilogy:
An edgy main character with unique abilities who’s of a rare species/kind with dark hair and pale skin and loves to smoke and swear goes into some kind of cult like organisation situated in a weird church to be trained as killers. The MC has a quirky companion who most people can’t hear and who often comments or advise the MC on their quest in a world where the day and night cycle is fucked up. There’s at some point in the book a sapphic relationship with somewhat explicit sexual content between teenage girls, one being a viking inspired character and the other being a very skinny, spiteful young woman. And finally, the storytelling is told as if from a book or memoir and there’s often comments from the narrator(s).
So yeah… that’s that for the originality…
Second, EotV is the book that was most clearly written by a middle aged man I have ever read. Without even addressing the blatant misogyny, the general way women characters are written is clearly to cater to the male gaze. All woman are hot, they're usually describe in way more details than man characters and this goes not only when they are introduced. When they speak, when they move, when they enter a scene, there’s almost always a comment on how they’re dressed, how their limbs move sensually, how their lips are blood red, their skin milk white, their figure curvy, etc… The violence - because this book is very violent and gory - feels likes it’s described differently when women are the victim. The narration focuses way more on the description of their wounds, their screams and/or their bodies than it does with men (though there is exceptions, just talking generally here). There’s one of the antagonists who’s whole gimmick is slaving young virgin girls, using them like animals and shields. There’s at least 4 named female characters who are raped (and many more general mentions of different degrees of sexual assault). Not to mention the fridging of the main character’s mother, sisters, wife and daughter, the overall misogynistic setting, and the countless “your mom” and prostitutes jokes.
Now, I’m not saying misogyny can’t or shouldn’t be portrayed in a story, a setting or a character. But EotV uses misogyny as an aesthetic. It’s there to make the world edgy, to portray the characters as assholes (sometimes in a quirky kind of way). It’s not necessarily portrayed as a good thing, there’s clearly an underlying implication that it’s a bad aspect of the culture and setting, but it’s never adressed more deeply than once or twice by a #girlboss character who throws a line like “girls aren’t just tits on legs”. Wow. Feminism at its finest…
There’s also a constant presence of oversexualization of any female character, especially, and uncomfortably so, underaged ones. I’ve already mentioned the focused descriptions and the sexual jokes, but it goes way further than this. There’s plenty of explicit sex scenes between minor characters, the book even starts with one. In the two timelines where the book takes place, first one following teenage main character and second one following the MC in his thirties, most of the explicit sex scenes take place in the underaged timeline.
There also random sexual descriptions or instances that happen in moments where I really feel is tonally inapropriate. For exemple, there’s a scene at one point where a vampire just starts to touch herself mid-combat, for no reason at all except that I guess there’s blood that has been shed? It didn’t bring the scene further, didn’t provide anything for the story or to the characterization of said vampire (who I believe we never see again).
“She ran her tongue along her teeth, bloody fingertips across the gaping wound at her throat, roaming down the hourglass of her body and pressing hard between her legs.”
To top it all, the main character is constantly struggling to keep it in his pants. Him being a pale blood supposedly makes him super horny and his inner dialogue is often reminiscing on how he’s hot and hard for whoever’s in front of him, on how his blood is boiling from the desire and so on - which becomes really weird when you remember he’s actually saying all of this out loud to some vampire who’s writing it all down on paper.
So yeah… as much as I felt enjoyment while reading it, the more I think about it, the more the experience sours. I read this book in 2021, before I started to put conscious efforts into analysing my reads and diversifying what I consume. 3 years later, I’ve very much developped (or so I hope) my critical thinking and I’ve now consumed more diverse stories. I know now that to enjoy a good story, I don’t have to turn a blind eye to what feels wrong. You want a good gothic vampire story? Read A Dowry of Blood by S.T. Gibson or Silver Under Nightfall|60321513|Silver Under Nightfall by Rin Chupeco or even Woman, Eating by Claire Kohda. These are stories who succeed in being gothic and macabre, epic and/or edgy, without forcing misogyny or bigotry on the reader. They might explore these themes, but they never use it as an aesthetic to make the setting dirtier.
Anyway! If you read until this point, props to you! That’s all I have for EotV. I’m still debating whether I’ll read the sequel or not. I’m still curious about the plot, but I dread having to go through another 700 or so pages of this r/menwritingwomen script…
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Drug use, Gore, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Torture, Violence, Blood, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Murder, Alcohol, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Slavery