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4.19 AVERAGE
4.19 AVERAGE
I'm giving up on these books. They no longer have the same appeal with endless new characters who I don't want to read about and the fact that every major character that I liked seems to have run off on their own or died. Will just be sticking to the show from now on...
adventurous
challenging
emotional
medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
A mix
Strong character development:
Yes
Loveable characters:
Yes
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
Yes
I can't believe this is the last book in asoiaf that will be released</3
adventurous
dark
tense
slow-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
Plot
Strong character development:
Yes
Loveable characters:
No
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
No
I wanted to give the book 5 stars, I really did, but Mr. GRRM, your books would be soooo much shorter if you cut out some of the repetition!
Spoilers at the end.
I read the whole thing, mostly because I wanted to see what happened next. But I don't think this book is as good as the previous ones in the series. Some grievances:
-Long passages of boring crap. I couldn't tell you what they were about. I don't care. My eyes glazed over. I don't remember this happening in previous books. This thing was way too long and some of these boring bits could have been edited out.
-Excessive use of the letters Q, Z, and X to make characters sound exotic. Overdone. Boring.
-Excessive raping. This book is so rapey! I kept waiting for the redeeming value and there was none. Overused and misogynistic. I actually got to a point where I found myself thinking, "God, another rape," in a bored kind of way. That's not the sort of attitude you should have about violent crimes. That's how many rapes happen or are referred to in this book. I have a problem with that.
-I've read Tolkien too. Most of us reading this probably have. One name from LOTR is homage. Four (at least four) is derivative. Drogo, Varamyr, Theodan, Oakenshield. Stop.
-You killed Jon Snow, you asshole. I think this might be one dead favorite character too much. I guess we never actually saw the corpse so to speak but if he survives that attack, it's even more ridiculous.
I may or may not even care if or when the next book comes out. The first one was the best. I'm sure the show is going to end up being better than the books. Yes, I just said that.
Edited to add: Valar Morghulis! Finally realized why this one was bothering me. Valar: People from LOTR. Morghulis: Obviously taken from the Morgol Vale. Derivative!
I read the whole thing, mostly because I wanted to see what happened next. But I don't think this book is as good as the previous ones in the series. Some grievances:
-Long passages of boring crap. I couldn't tell you what they were about. I don't care. My eyes glazed over. I don't remember this happening in previous books. This thing was way too long and some of these boring bits could have been edited out.
-Excessive use of the letters Q, Z, and X to make characters sound exotic. Overdone. Boring.
-Excessive raping. This book is so rapey! I kept waiting for the redeeming value and there was none. Overused and misogynistic. I actually got to a point where I found myself thinking, "God, another rape," in a bored kind of way. That's not the sort of attitude you should have about violent crimes. That's how many rapes happen or are referred to in this book. I have a problem with that.
-I've read Tolkien too. Most of us reading this probably have. One name from LOTR is homage. Four (at least four) is derivative. Drogo, Varamyr, Theodan, Oakenshield. Stop.
-You killed Jon Snow, you asshole. I think this might be one dead favorite character too much. I guess we never actually saw the corpse so to speak but if he survives that attack, it's even more ridiculous.
I may or may not even care if or when the next book comes out. The first one was the best. I'm sure the show is going to end up being better than the books. Yes, I just said that.
Edited to add: Valar Morghulis! Finally realized why this one was bothering me. Valar: People from LOTR. Morghulis: Obviously taken from the Morgol Vale. Derivative!
I think I enjoyed aDwD more than aFfC, but it's been long enough that I can hardly remember what happened in that book.
I can't believe I'm caught up with this series. I feel so accomplished. :')
...also it was AMAZING.
...also it was AMAZING.
I've been reading a lot of reviews of this book that say it wasn't everything they expected it to be. I think, after six years of waiting, it would be an awful lot to ask for this book to top all our expectations. However, I was very satisfied with the book. Yeah, it was a long time to wait. But it was a really good, and very satisfying, book.
This book had everything in it that I love from the others: rich, multi-layered, interwoven plots; incredibly vivid places and people; some beautiful images; fascinating three-dimensional characters; and intrigue out the wazoo.
My only complaint about it is that there may have been even a few too many point-of-view characters. There were more than in previous books, and some felt very thrown-in. I really felt the Jaime and Bran chapters were really only there to keep us from complaining that they weren't in the book at all. They were interesting, but they really were just there to let us know that Bran and Jaime are still pieces in the Game of Thrones, and that they're moving to their own destinations. (Though Bran's arc is promising some very cool pay-off.)
Cersei's chapters just serve to underline how clueless Cersei really is. Cersei is the new Sansa in the depth of her delusions and misreadings of characters and situations. Tyrion's story was fascinating (and actually caused me to cheer at one point). Daenerys's was frustrating, but you get the sense that it had to be. Daenerys is making all her big mistakes across the sea from Westeros so when she gets there she can really kick some fanny.
Arya's chapters were very fun to read, but didn't progress her arc forward very much. I don't think she's going to end up Faceless, and I keep waiting for her to realize that. I don't know what she'd do instead though. The fan-girl in me really wants a Dany-meets-Arya scene. How could Westeros withstand the two of them as joined forces?
Some of the new point-of-view characters, including Melisandre and Barristan were incredibly interesting, especially the glimpses into Melisandre's past and the foreshadowing of how Selmy may come to be important to Daenerys.
I feel like Martin is starting to play more with how he heads each chapter. Rather than just a name, it's often a clue to how the character thinks of him- or herself or what piece in the game he or she represents. I really enjoyed seeing how each chapter heading plays off the chapter's events.
And now we're getting into spoiler territory.
For this book, even the list of point-of-view characters is minorly spoiler-y
The slow realization that the "new" Reek was Theon is one of the eeriest sensations I've ever felt while reading. He turned very interesting, but his chapters still mostly made my skin crawl. His progression from Reek (the Gollum-esque rhyming was thoroughly creepy) back to Theon was fascinating and very well done. I enjoyed his chapters, even while I hated them.
Martin got a little lazy with Martell. He was an interesting character, but from the beginning I got the sense he was a dead-end (and not only because his name was "Quentyn.") He never got fully fleshed-out and always remained a game piece rather than a character (which may be why so many of his chapters were headed with something other than his actual name.) So his death did not strike me as hard as it could have.
Victarion's chapters are interesting, but I'm worried about him. How much of an idiot does he think his brother is? And how dumb do you have to be to pour out your soul to a woman given to you by the brother you despise? That just doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm not sure Victarion's arc is going to have a good ending.
The book ended frustratingly (surely Jon Snow is not dead) but with some lovely images. I would wait six more years for the scene of Dany flying off on Drogon, and the final scene of her, filthy and raggedy, crouched beside him as an enemy khal approaches.
I was going to write something here about how Martin hasn't really ruthlessly killed off a major character since Robb. Which means he's really only killed (I mean killed-killed, not just mostly killed) four beloved characters: Lady, Ned, Robb, and Grey Wind. And those were all in the first three books. I was going to say he had to kill them to show he was serious, but that he's really not that cruel. But then I thought that somehow writing that would mean Jon is really dead. So I take that all back, Mr. Martin! I think you're very ruthless. Please don't kill Jon. The dragon needs three heads.
Now, about Jon: Aegon really did survived and is being groomed by Varys to rule with Daenerys, thus proving a popular fan theory to be true. My guess is that Martin meant either to reveal that Jon is Rhaeger and Lyanna's son in this book, but didn't because he's a little irked we figured out three of his best twists (Jeyne being Arya is the third), or that he will reveal it in the next book, following a "one huge revelation per book" regimen. He's getting a little ham-fisted with the "Jon looks like Arya who looks like Lyanna" stuff.
All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I will reread it, and I wait in eager anticipation for the next book.
First read July 13 to 20 2011.
This book had everything in it that I love from the others: rich, multi-layered, interwoven plots; incredibly vivid places and people; some beautiful images; fascinating three-dimensional characters; and intrigue out the wazoo.
My only complaint about it is that there may have been even a few too many point-of-view characters. There were more than in previous books, and some felt very thrown-in. I really felt the Jaime and Bran chapters were really only there to keep us from complaining that they weren't in the book at all. They were interesting, but they really were just there to let us know that Bran and Jaime are still pieces in the Game of Thrones, and that they're moving to their own destinations. (Though Bran's arc is promising some very cool pay-off.)
Cersei's chapters just serve to underline how clueless Cersei really is. Cersei is the new Sansa in the depth of her delusions and misreadings of characters and situations. Tyrion's story was fascinating (and actually caused me to cheer at one point). Daenerys's was frustrating, but you get the sense that it had to be. Daenerys is making all her big mistakes across the sea from Westeros so when she gets there she can really kick some fanny.
Arya's chapters were very fun to read, but didn't progress her arc forward very much. I don't think she's going to end up Faceless, and I keep waiting for her to realize that. I don't know what she'd do instead though. The fan-girl in me really wants a Dany-meets-Arya scene. How could Westeros withstand the two of them as joined forces?
Some of the new point-of-view characters, including Melisandre and Barristan were incredibly interesting, especially the glimpses into Melisandre's past and the foreshadowing of how Selmy may come to be important to Daenerys.
I feel like Martin is starting to play more with how he heads each chapter. Rather than just a name, it's often a clue to how the character thinks of him- or herself or what piece in the game he or she represents. I really enjoyed seeing how each chapter heading plays off the chapter's events.
And now we're getting into spoiler territory.
For this book, even the list of point-of-view characters is minorly spoiler-y
Spoiler
. They were: Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, Jon Snow, Bran Stark, Quentyn Martell, Davos Seaworth (knew he wasn't dead!), Theon Greyjoy (really hoped he was), Jon Connington, Asha Greyjoy, Lady Melisandre, Areo Hotah, Arya Stark (knew she wasn't permanently blind!), Jaime Lannister, Cersei Lannister, Barristan Selmy, Victarion Greyjoy, and Kevan Lannister.The slow realization that the "new" Reek was Theon is one of the eeriest sensations I've ever felt while reading. He turned very interesting, but his chapters still mostly made my skin crawl. His progression from Reek (the Gollum-esque rhyming was thoroughly creepy) back to Theon was fascinating and very well done. I enjoyed his chapters, even while I hated them.
Martin got a little lazy with Martell. He was an interesting character, but from the beginning I got the sense he was a dead-end (and not only because his name was "Quentyn.") He never got fully fleshed-out and always remained a game piece rather than a character (which may be why so many of his chapters were headed with something other than his actual name.) So his death did not strike me as hard as it could have.
Victarion's chapters are interesting, but I'm worried about him. How much of an idiot does he think his brother is? And how dumb do you have to be to pour out your soul to a woman given to you by the brother you despise? That just doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm not sure Victarion's arc is going to have a good ending.
The book ended frustratingly (surely Jon Snow is not dead) but with some lovely images. I would wait six more years for the scene of Dany flying off on Drogon, and the final scene of her, filthy and raggedy, crouched beside him as an enemy khal approaches.
I was going to write something here about how Martin hasn't really ruthlessly killed off a major character since Robb. Which means he's really only killed (I mean killed-killed, not just mostly killed) four beloved characters: Lady, Ned, Robb, and Grey Wind. And those were all in the first three books. I was going to say he had to kill them to show he was serious, but that he's really not that cruel. But then I thought that somehow writing that would mean Jon is really dead. So I take that all back, Mr. Martin! I think you're very ruthless. Please don't kill Jon. The dragon needs three heads.
Now, about Jon: Aegon really did survived and is being groomed by Varys to rule with Daenerys, thus proving a popular fan theory to be true. My guess is that Martin meant either to reveal that Jon is Rhaeger and Lyanna's son in this book, but didn't because he's a little irked we figured out three of his best twists (Jeyne being Arya is the third), or that he will reveal it in the next book, following a "one huge revelation per book" regimen. He's getting a little ham-fisted with the "Jon looks like Arya who looks like Lyanna" stuff.
All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I will reread it, and I wait in eager anticipation for the next book.
First read July 13 to 20 2011.