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4.1 AVERAGE
4.1 AVERAGE
Oh man, I have lots of weird feelings about this book. (I'm probably going to lightly spoil the book in this review btw)
Honestly, my reading experience with this book was overall positive. Like, I flew threw it, it had its moments, and I liked some stuff about it. I wasn't bored or too annoyed to enjoy it. There's just. So many little annoying details in there that I couldn't ignore.
First of all, the writing style. It was actually something I was kind of dreading from reviews I'd read before picking it up. That the writing style was annoying and juvenile and that the many random ellipses, all caps, and italics would be jarring. And honestly, this didn't really end up being a big flaw for me. Sure, I kinda tended to skip the slammedtogetherwords and some of the italics sections. But I got used to it and it didn't overtly bother me. I get why it would be annoying to some people though. I'm just pretty flexible when it comes to writing styles I think, unless it's extremely flowery prose, then my brain is out. So, first thing I thought I might not like about this was actually okay. Good, right? Yeah, well.
Another thing I was a little anxious about was the main topic: conversion therapy, electroshock therapy. I was both interested in reading a book about this and super worried I wouldn't be able to get through it. It ended up being okay for me. Like, there are very violent scenes and it's definitely not going to agree with everyone, but personnally I got through them okay. I was a little more iffy about how... positive the psychatrist representation seemed to be? It disturbed me a little that she was presented as this overall good person who electroshocks her patients but feels pain for them and whatever and then searches for other treatments for at the end change her mind completely like 'actually gay is good I'm sorry'. I think this might be personal, because I get how people might enjoy to see the psychatrist being tortured about this all and change her mind for the better but like. I didn't buy it. It annoyed me.
Let's talk about another detail that I could not stop thinking about all along the book. Every character that is morally bad/that Jonathan doesn't like is ugly, scarred or otherwise unpleasant to the eyes/ears. I viscerally hate the trop of the scarred/ugly character being a monstrous asshole while everyone who is nice is pretty. I don't like it. It's bad. It's super obvious in both Jonathan's dad and Hal. Jonathan's dad USED TO be beautiful before his wife died and then he became worse and worse both physically and morally. And like, really? My god. Also Hal, the bisexual character who tries to sexually assault the MC, is constantly described as ugly and scarred and rat-like. I don't like this trope! It's bad! Also unnecessary to have your only bi character being a predator but whatever.
I don't want to go into the Native rep too in detail, but I encourage you to read reviews by Native American readers. I started searching for those when I started to feel the rep might be off, because I don't have the knowledge to pick up on all the potential microaggressions. I'll just say what I thought was obvious : there is so much anti-Indigenous racism in here. Slurs, hate crimes, violence. And they're thrown around a little too freely, with not a lot of unpacking of those. And it's written by a white cis gay. So I don't know. There's also this line by Jonathan where he wishes everyone stopped seeing each other through labels and only see each other as equal Starfolk, and he says that to Web, and I rolled my eyes so hard.
This is one of the ownvoices review I read about the Native rep btw: https://indigosbookshelf.blogspot.com/2019/09/ziggy-stardust-me-by-james-brandon.html
It goes more into detail about the rep, and how the Native and Two-Spirit rep, and how Web's character feels like it's there to teach Jonathan to accept his sexuality.
About the conversion therapy again! Something I forgot to mention earlier, but the electroshock therapy has super traumatizing consequences on Jonathan, and for most of the book they felt real and understandable. Then, Jonathan and Web have sex. Jonathan powers through the pain for this, which, okay, your choice of course. But then he almost never again feels the consequences of electroshock therapy, and it felt a little bit too close of 'cured of my traumatic experience by love and sex' for comfort.
Anyway, outside of all the little things that bugged me, I also didn't feel very strongly about the romance in the first place. I overall enjoyed Jonathan's character. I feel like Web didn't get to develop on his own enough, though. I'm a little disappointed that the best friend character just disappeared for most of the book, strong friendships can usually make a book with a romance so much stronger. She was vaguely there at the beginning and at the end, but not enough for me to believe she was Jonathan's best friend? I don't know.
My reading experience was okay. Lots of little things bugged me, but as I said, I flew through it and didn't really want to put it down, and it had some really strong moments around the conversion therapy theme especially. It is very, very violent, though. Homophobic and racist/anti-indigenous slurs, hate crimes, police brutality, violent bullying, etc. There's a lot of queer pain in there, too, and the queer joy feels a little pale in comparison. I would only recommend if you're prepared to read about traumatizing queer history, queer pain, and to acknowledge that Native American readers have criticized the rep in this book for many reasons (also like... the author's note goes something like 'I knew nothing about this event in Indigenous history before reading about it so I decided to make it a significant part of my story about a white boy', and... yeah. You know.)
Honestly, my reading experience with this book was overall positive. Like, I flew threw it, it had its moments, and I liked some stuff about it. I wasn't bored or too annoyed to enjoy it. There's just. So many little annoying details in there that I couldn't ignore.
First of all, the writing style. It was actually something I was kind of dreading from reviews I'd read before picking it up. That the writing style was annoying and juvenile and that the many random ellipses, all caps, and italics would be jarring. And honestly, this didn't really end up being a big flaw for me. Sure, I kinda tended to skip the slammedtogetherwords and some of the italics sections. But I got used to it and it didn't overtly bother me. I get why it would be annoying to some people though. I'm just pretty flexible when it comes to writing styles I think, unless it's extremely flowery prose, then my brain is out. So, first thing I thought I might not like about this was actually okay. Good, right? Yeah, well.
Another thing I was a little anxious about was the main topic: conversion therapy, electroshock therapy. I was both interested in reading a book about this and super worried I wouldn't be able to get through it. It ended up being okay for me. Like, there are very violent scenes and it's definitely not going to agree with everyone, but personnally I got through them okay. I was a little more iffy about how... positive the psychatrist representation seemed to be? It disturbed me a little that she was presented as this overall good person who electroshocks her patients but feels pain for them and whatever and then searches for other treatments for at the end change her mind completely like 'actually gay is good I'm sorry'. I think this might be personal, because I get how people might enjoy to see the psychatrist being tortured about this all and change her mind for the better but like. I didn't buy it. It annoyed me.
Let's talk about another detail that I could not stop thinking about all along the book. Every character that is morally bad/that Jonathan doesn't like is ugly, scarred or otherwise unpleasant to the eyes/ears. I viscerally hate the trop of the scarred/ugly character being a monstrous asshole while everyone who is nice is pretty. I don't like it. It's bad. It's super obvious in both Jonathan's dad and Hal. Jonathan's dad USED TO be beautiful before his wife died and then he became worse and worse both physically and morally. And like, really? My god. Also Hal, the bisexual character who tries to sexually assault the MC, is constantly described as ugly and scarred and rat-like. I don't like this trope! It's bad! Also unnecessary to have your only bi character being a predator but whatever.
I don't want to go into the Native rep too in detail, but I encourage you to read reviews by Native American readers. I started searching for those when I started to feel the rep might be off, because I don't have the knowledge to pick up on all the potential microaggressions. I'll just say what I thought was obvious : there is so much anti-Indigenous racism in here. Slurs, hate crimes, violence. And they're thrown around a little too freely, with not a lot of unpacking of those. And it's written by a white cis gay. So I don't know. There's also this line by Jonathan where he wishes everyone stopped seeing each other through labels and only see each other as equal Starfolk, and he says that to Web, and I rolled my eyes so hard.
This is one of the ownvoices review I read about the Native rep btw: https://indigosbookshelf.blogspot.com/2019/09/ziggy-stardust-me-by-james-brandon.html
It goes more into detail about the rep, and how the Native and Two-Spirit rep, and how Web's character feels like it's there to teach Jonathan to accept his sexuality.
About the conversion therapy again! Something I forgot to mention earlier, but the electroshock therapy has super traumatizing consequences on Jonathan, and for most of the book they felt real and understandable. Then, Jonathan and Web have sex. Jonathan powers through the pain for this, which, okay, your choice of course. But then he almost never again feels the consequences of electroshock therapy, and it felt a little bit too close of 'cured of my traumatic experience by love and sex' for comfort.
Anyway, outside of all the little things that bugged me, I also didn't feel very strongly about the romance in the first place. I overall enjoyed Jonathan's character. I feel like Web didn't get to develop on his own enough, though. I'm a little disappointed that the best friend character just disappeared for most of the book, strong friendships can usually make a book with a romance so much stronger. She was vaguely there at the beginning and at the end, but not enough for me to believe she was Jonathan's best friend? I don't know.
My reading experience was okay. Lots of little things bugged me, but as I said, I flew through it and didn't really want to put it down, and it had some really strong moments around the conversion therapy theme especially. It is very, very violent, though. Homophobic and racist/anti-indigenous slurs, hate crimes, police brutality, violent bullying, etc. There's a lot of queer pain in there, too, and the queer joy feels a little pale in comparison. I would only recommend if you're prepared to read about traumatizing queer history, queer pain, and to acknowledge that Native American readers have criticized the rep in this book for many reasons (also like... the author's note goes something like 'I knew nothing about this event in Indigenous history before reading about it so I decided to make it a significant part of my story about a white boy', and... yeah. You know.)
emotional
fast-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
Character
Loveable characters:
Yes
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Um, wow. This was astounding. The era. The language. The writing. The characters. All of it.
Now I’m off to listen to some David Bowie.
Now I’m off to listen to some David Bowie.
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
informative
inspiring
reflective
medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
A mix
Strong character development:
Yes
Loveable characters:
Yes
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
No
So, so, so good. I wish the ending was a little slower paced but other than that a fabulous book that destroyed me from beginning to end.
It's 1973, and seventeen-year-old Jonathan has been in electro-convulsive therapy for the mental illness of homosexuality for four years. When he meets Web, Jonathan can't help but begin to think there might not be anything wrong with him after all, despite the fact that just thinking about Web physically hurts.
An incredibly upsetting book, like... I can't bear to think of thirteen-year-olds being subjected to ECT for having been kissed by a boy. On the one hand, this is obviously an important part of recent history that I personally hadn't read anything about before. But the way it's explored in this novel really feels too brutally dark for the genre and target audience. To me, Jonathan's character arc felt drawn out for a long time, then the ending feels rushed and out of the blue. In general I found the 'whambamthankyouma'am' 70s inner dialogue so off-putting in style, and while reading I was uncomfortable with an author who isn't Native American employing racist language and explaining all about what it means to be Two-Spirit.
Content warnings: conversion therapy; racism; slurs; homophobia; homophobic and racist violence; sexual assault
An incredibly upsetting book, like... I can't bear to think of thirteen-year-olds being subjected to ECT for having been kissed by a boy. On the one hand, this is obviously an important part of recent history that I personally hadn't read anything about before. But the way it's explored in this novel really feels too brutally dark for the genre and target audience. To me, Jonathan's character arc felt drawn out for a long time, then the ending feels rushed and out of the blue. In general I found the 'whambamthankyouma'am' 70s inner dialogue so off-putting in style, and while reading I was uncomfortable with an author who isn't Native American employing racist language and explaining all about what it means to be Two-Spirit.
Content warnings: conversion therapy; racism; slurs; homophobia; homophobic and racist violence; sexual assault
This is definitely not something I would normally read, but I'm glad that I did. I generally try to stay away from sad LGBT books and books featuring conversion therapy in particular, with the idea that the real world is awful enough and I'd rather read something happy or at least set in a happier world in my free time. This book wasn't anywhere near as sad I was expecting consider the setting and subject material, but I do think I was more 'on edge' than usual while reading because I was always just waiting for horrible things to happen and that might have made it a bit harder for me to immerse myself sometimes. Still, I love both the main characters and the intersectionality of the whole thing and at the end it was actually a really cute and sweet book, even though there were definitely sad bits too. Also 'Ziggy on the cross' is probably one of my new favorite phrases so there's that.
Just finished this one. Pretty sad, overly dramatic, very gay, funny.
It's 1973, Jonathan is a gay, asthmatic, shy 16yo undergoing conversion therapy to cure him from his homosexuality. He's got no one but his alcohol abusing dad and his neighbour Starla who's away for the summer. Jonathan is a very imaginative kid, so he talks to Ziggy Stardust (you know David Bowie "ground control to Major Tom" Ziggy Stardust) and his dead mom in his head. But everything changes when he befriends Web, an Indian American (two spirited) boy.
I had a hard time getting into it, because Jonathan is a super weird kid, but I LOVED all the references to music in this one. (You might not know, but I'm super hard core into 60s / 70s music). Also very political. The book is also overly dramatic, which annoyed me a bit. Jonathan is...exhausting as protagonist...
The entire business with curing queer folks just made me incredibly sad, especially as we see how Jonathan struggles with everybody telling him that he is sick.
Trigger warnings for: electro shock / conversion therapy, attempted rape, violence.
But if you want to learn more about queer identities in the 70s, Native American issues, Vietnam, music and politics of the 70s, check it out. Beautiful passages in there.
4 Stars
It's 1973, Jonathan is a gay, asthmatic, shy 16yo undergoing conversion therapy to cure him from his homosexuality. He's got no one but his alcohol abusing dad and his neighbour Starla who's away for the summer. Jonathan is a very imaginative kid, so he talks to Ziggy Stardust (you know David Bowie "ground control to Major Tom" Ziggy Stardust) and his dead mom in his head. But everything changes when he befriends Web, an Indian American (two spirited) boy.
I had a hard time getting into it, because Jonathan is a super weird kid, but I LOVED all the references to music in this one. (You might not know, but I'm super hard core into 60s / 70s music). Also very political. The book is also overly dramatic, which annoyed me a bit. Jonathan is...exhausting as protagonist...
The entire business with curing queer folks just made me incredibly sad, especially as we see how Jonathan struggles with everybody telling him that he is sick.
Trigger warnings for: electro shock / conversion therapy, attempted rape, violence.
But if you want to learn more about queer identities in the 70s, Native American issues, Vietnam, music and politics of the 70s, check it out. Beautiful passages in there.
4 Stars
adventurous
emotional
hopeful
informative
inspiring
sad
medium-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
Character
Strong character development:
Yes
Loveable characters:
Complicated
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
Complicated
A beautiful book.
im going to explode racism with my mind.. everything about this book blew my mind. people are so messed up in the head. i can’t even fathom what could be going on in their head to even have the thought to their action. the way it ended was so circling. and honestly, i can’t believe what i even read