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4.11 AVERAGE
4.11 AVERAGE
Really really solid. Gritty and bizarre but incredible as a piece of art in itself.
This was my first time reading The Dark Knight Returns. I felt the story was pretty decent for the most part, but the artwork looks like something I would do, that's not a compliment.
my problem with miller's batman is largely the extreme mischaracterisation. he paints batman as a bloodthirsty sadist, one that ignores due process and uses a gun (batman would never use a gun. in any universe).
the story is poorly written and deliberately confusing to follow. the art doesn't convey meaning nor does it look nice, in fact detracting from the flow of the comic. old, bitter, cranky batman is (in my personal view) not my batman nor the way batman was intended to be written. also the timeline is really weird-- it's never established how old batman, alfred, and the commissioner are in relation to each other.
his ultra bulky huge armour suit is nothing like anything batman would design. batman in other verses goes out of his way to sacrifice armour for agility, he would never be this bulked up.
the contrived philosophical questions are not "deep" in any way and the pacing of the comic ruins any possible sophisticated consideration of a moral dilemma. the handling of the anti-government message is very clumsy and overboard. also there is no reason for batman to wrap a body in an american flag. this is literally the opposite of his mysterious, dark, untraceable ethos.
the only redeeming value of this miller batman run was carrie as robin.
tldr; horrible writing, plot, characterisation, artwork. physically nauseating in every way. a huge effort to read. most overrated comic ever, only read for historical value.
the story is poorly written and deliberately confusing to follow. the art doesn't convey meaning nor does it look nice, in fact detracting from the flow of the comic. old, bitter, cranky batman is (in my personal view) not my batman nor the way batman was intended to be written. also the timeline is really weird-- it's never established how old batman, alfred, and the commissioner are in relation to each other.
his ultra bulky huge armour suit is nothing like anything batman would design. batman in other verses goes out of his way to sacrifice armour for agility, he would never be this bulked up.
the contrived philosophical questions are not "deep" in any way and the pacing of the comic ruins any possible sophisticated consideration of a moral dilemma. the handling of the anti-government message is very clumsy and overboard. also there is no reason for batman to wrap a body in an american flag. this is literally the opposite of his mysterious, dark, untraceable ethos.
the only redeeming value of this miller batman run was carrie as robin.
tldr; horrible writing, plot, characterisation, artwork. physically nauseating in every way. a huge effort to read. most overrated comic ever, only read for historical value.
Parlando puramente di estetica, il Batman di Frank Miller è il mio preferito di sempre.
Quello di Bruce Timm è perfetto ed è quello con cui sono cresciuto; il Batman di Tim Sale, con quel mantello che sembra avere vita propria, è come un pezzo di oscurità sorto direttamente dalla terra; quello di Jim Lee è una montagna di muscoli di un’imponenza fuori scala, e quanto a muscoli non scherza neanche quello di Greg Capullo.
Ma il Cavaliere Oscuro di Frank Miller - vecchio, acciaccato e arrabbiato - rappresenta la Morte che torna alla Vita: l’urgenza di riaffermare se stesso nel mondo, di riconquistarlo pezzo per pezzo, di incutere timore nel cuore del crimine, un barbarico Yawp sopra i tetti di Gotham. La sua Gotham. E per questo lo amo.
Sull’opera non mi esprimo perché lo sanno anche i sassi: è un capolavoro imprescindibile.
Certo, intriso di uno spirito reazionario che fa sembrare Bruce Wayne uno di quei tromboni che su Facebook gridano che si stava meglio quando si stava peggio e che i giovani non sanno fare una mazza fritta, ma davanti a quelle tavole io alzo e mi immergo con tutta la faccia.
Quello di Bruce Timm è perfetto ed è quello con cui sono cresciuto; il Batman di Tim Sale, con quel mantello che sembra avere vita propria, è come un pezzo di oscurità sorto direttamente dalla terra; quello di Jim Lee è una montagna di muscoli di un’imponenza fuori scala, e quanto a muscoli non scherza neanche quello di Greg Capullo.
Ma il Cavaliere Oscuro di Frank Miller - vecchio, acciaccato e arrabbiato - rappresenta la Morte che torna alla Vita: l’urgenza di riaffermare se stesso nel mondo, di riconquistarlo pezzo per pezzo, di incutere timore nel cuore del crimine, un barbarico Yawp sopra i tetti di Gotham. La sua Gotham. E per questo lo amo.
Sull’opera non mi esprimo perché lo sanno anche i sassi: è un capolavoro imprescindibile.
Certo, intriso di uno spirito reazionario che fa sembrare Bruce Wayne uno di quei tromboni che su Facebook gridano che si stava meglio quando si stava peggio e che i giovani non sanno fare una mazza fritta, ma davanti a quelle tavole io alzo e mi immergo con tutta la faccia.
Dipping into the world of graphic novels with the recommendations of my nephews and niece. Much darker than I expected. And Bruce's age was inexplicably increased by 10 years toward the end of the story. But a lot of the sly, small details really made the story for me. Looking forward to exploring the genre in general, although maybe not this particular storyline.
dark
mysterious
reflective
medium-paced
adventurous
challenging
dark
reflective
tense
slow-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
Character
Strong character development:
Yes
Loveable characters:
Complicated
Diverse cast of characters:
Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus:
Yes
I understand why this is a classic, it must have been pretty revolutionary, but it wasn't my favorite. A dark, gritty, old Batman... personally I prefer Bruce in Batman Beyond to this. The plot was pretty good, and the art was... fine? It fit the story but wasn't the prettiest. Some things were a little side-eye, and there were way too many tiny talking heads.
dark
tense
slow-paced
Plot or Character Driven:
A mix
Strong character development:
No
Loveable characters:
No
Diverse cast of characters:
No
Flaws of characters a main focus:
Yes
