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kikiandarrowsfishshelf's review against another edition
5.0
“Every woman feels that, the greater is her power over a man, the more her only way of leaving him is just to take flight. She becomes a fugitive precisely because she was a queen, this inevitable” (8).
“Suffering, as the aftermath of an unwelcome moral shock, aspires to change form . . . “(13).
Pg 15 he takes a little girl home to sit on his lap. WTF?
Saint-Loup seems to find Albertine unattractive. There seems to be a belittling tone since Albertine left.
“In short, Albertine, like a stone covered in snow, was no more than the core of an immense construction elaborated by my heart” (22).
Pg 44 La Berma dies. He notes this in passing.
“But a woman whom we are keeping does not seem to us to be a kept woman as long as we know that she is not being kept by anyone else” (51).
Pg 54 acknowledges that Francoise might have something to do with Albertine leaving.
God, how he belittles her. Manipulative bastard.
Go parents of the little girl. Dude, you took a little girl off the street for her to sit on your lap. It’s good that you are now afraid to do that again.
Saint-Loup is plotting to get someone fired because why?
Pg 64 Albertine is apparently dead. I am surprisingly pissed off at this news. I mean if she is really dead, she was fridged before Gail coined the term fridged. And now we have more sads.
“In such moments, connecting my grandmother’s death with that of Albertine, it seemed to be me that my life was besmirched by a double murder for which the only the cowardice of society could forgive me” (85).
And you take little girls off the street to sit on your lap.
Pg 88 – Marcel notes the similarity to Swann. So he is aware of his desire or slight hero worship. I am not even sure that it is hero worship. He just seemed to find Swann admirable in some way. I think that’s why he was “in love” with Gilberte. Who he is still mentioning.
“Yet after a certain age out loves and our mistresses are daughters of our anguish: our past and the physical lesion written whose line lines it lies inscribed, determine our future” (94).
I’m really angry at Albertine is dead. I need to get that Anne Carson book that popped up on the Goodreads feed – the poems about Albertine. Pamphlet book.
I’m glad that the young girl who had to sit on his lap had parents that stood up for her and reported him to the police. But now he has been traumatized by the experience. Dude, maybe you should leave young girls alone.
It is making think about Consent by Vanessa Springora because if that is about how relationships with young girls were viewed. The police inspector looks the other way.
For some reason I don’t really believe Aime with all the stories about Albertine and the ladies. It feels like he is saying what Marcel the narrator wants to hear.
“It is perhaps in this way that a kind of cutting taken from a person and grafted on to another person’s heart continues to live on when the person whom it has been detached has perished” (115).
This first chapter after the death of Albertine where he is even spying on her after death is creepy.
“The problem with people is that for us they are no more than prints in our mental museum, which fade on exposure” (151).
“Once more, as when I had stopped seeing Gilberte, a love for women surged up within me, freed of any exclusive association with a particular woman once loved, and wafted like those essences liberated by death and decay and which float suspended in the spring breeze, asking only to be united with some new entity” (156).
“And sometimes reading a rather sad novel carried me suddenly backward, for some novels are like a period of great mourning which abolishes habit and puts us once more in touch with the reality of life, but for a few ours only, as does a nightmare for the force of habit, the oblivion that it procures and the gaiety that it restores as the brain is unable to resist them and reestablish the truth are infinitely stronger than event he most hypnotic suggestions of a beautiful book, which, like all suggestions, have a fleeting effect” (156-157).
He talks of holding a secret over the girl, the one he believes to be d’Eporcherville. He is willing to blackmail her and besmirch her reputation just because he wants sex.
Forchevile = Gilberte
“We have only formless, fragmented visions of the world, which we fill out with arbitrary associations of ideas, creating dangerous suggestions” (170).
Odette left a rich widow who mourns and then marries Forcheville.
On Mme Guermaantes deciding to met Odette and Gilberte after the death of Swann, “For whereas three-quarters of the human race flatters the living and take no notice of
“It is not because others have died that our affection for them weakens, it is because we ourselves are dying” (194).
“ . . as beautiful as an angel but as wicked as a witch” (236).
Jupien’s niece dies of typhoid.
Saint Loup is gay? Well that explains much.
The Venice passage was lovely.
I feel sorry for Gilberte.
Marcel doesn’t really seem to like women and is basically a man whore.
Poor Jupien’s niece who doesn’t even get given a name. Poor women in this book. IT does pick up some of the same these as Sodom. He is obsessed with homosexuality.
Saint-loup taking up with Morel is a bit strange.
The telegram mistake seems a bit far fetched. It’s like reading the accounts from the Titanic sinking where the British say everyone who was American or English was heroic but those Italians were cowards.
Marcel is so self centered.
“Suffering, as the aftermath of an unwelcome moral shock, aspires to change form . . . “(13).
Pg 15 he takes a little girl home to sit on his lap. WTF?
Saint-Loup seems to find Albertine unattractive. There seems to be a belittling tone since Albertine left.
“In short, Albertine, like a stone covered in snow, was no more than the core of an immense construction elaborated by my heart” (22).
Pg 44 La Berma dies. He notes this in passing.
“But a woman whom we are keeping does not seem to us to be a kept woman as long as we know that she is not being kept by anyone else” (51).
Pg 54 acknowledges that Francoise might have something to do with Albertine leaving.
God, how he belittles her. Manipulative bastard.
Go parents of the little girl. Dude, you took a little girl off the street for her to sit on your lap. It’s good that you are now afraid to do that again.
Saint-Loup is plotting to get someone fired because why?
Pg 64 Albertine is apparently dead. I am surprisingly pissed off at this news. I mean if she is really dead, she was fridged before Gail coined the term fridged. And now we have more sads.
“In such moments, connecting my grandmother’s death with that of Albertine, it seemed to be me that my life was besmirched by a double murder for which the only the cowardice of society could forgive me” (85).
And you take little girls off the street to sit on your lap.
Pg 88 – Marcel notes the similarity to Swann. So he is aware of his desire or slight hero worship. I am not even sure that it is hero worship. He just seemed to find Swann admirable in some way. I think that’s why he was “in love” with Gilberte. Who he is still mentioning.
“Yet after a certain age out loves and our mistresses are daughters of our anguish: our past and the physical lesion written whose line lines it lies inscribed, determine our future” (94).
I’m really angry at Albertine is dead. I need to get that Anne Carson book that popped up on the Goodreads feed – the poems about Albertine. Pamphlet book.
I’m glad that the young girl who had to sit on his lap had parents that stood up for her and reported him to the police. But now he has been traumatized by the experience. Dude, maybe you should leave young girls alone.
It is making think about Consent by Vanessa Springora because if that is about how relationships with young girls were viewed. The police inspector looks the other way.
For some reason I don’t really believe Aime with all the stories about Albertine and the ladies. It feels like he is saying what Marcel the narrator wants to hear.
“It is perhaps in this way that a kind of cutting taken from a person and grafted on to another person’s heart continues to live on when the person whom it has been detached has perished” (115).
This first chapter after the death of Albertine where he is even spying on her after death is creepy.
“The problem with people is that for us they are no more than prints in our mental museum, which fade on exposure” (151).
“Once more, as when I had stopped seeing Gilberte, a love for women surged up within me, freed of any exclusive association with a particular woman once loved, and wafted like those essences liberated by death and decay and which float suspended in the spring breeze, asking only to be united with some new entity” (156).
“And sometimes reading a rather sad novel carried me suddenly backward, for some novels are like a period of great mourning which abolishes habit and puts us once more in touch with the reality of life, but for a few ours only, as does a nightmare for the force of habit, the oblivion that it procures and the gaiety that it restores as the brain is unable to resist them and reestablish the truth are infinitely stronger than event he most hypnotic suggestions of a beautiful book, which, like all suggestions, have a fleeting effect” (156-157).
He talks of holding a secret over the girl, the one he believes to be d’Eporcherville. He is willing to blackmail her and besmirch her reputation just because he wants sex.
Forchevile = Gilberte
“We have only formless, fragmented visions of the world, which we fill out with arbitrary associations of ideas, creating dangerous suggestions” (170).
Odette left a rich widow who mourns and then marries Forcheville.
On Mme Guermaantes deciding to met Odette and Gilberte after the death of Swann, “For whereas three-quarters of the human race flatters the living and take no notice of
“It is not because others have died that our affection for them weakens, it is because we ourselves are dying” (194).
“ . . as beautiful as an angel but as wicked as a witch” (236).
Jupien’s niece dies of typhoid.
Saint Loup is gay? Well that explains much.
The Venice passage was lovely.
I feel sorry for Gilberte.
Marcel doesn’t really seem to like women and is basically a man whore.
Poor Jupien’s niece who doesn’t even get given a name. Poor women in this book. IT does pick up some of the same these as Sodom. He is obsessed with homosexuality.
Saint-loup taking up with Morel is a bit strange.
The telegram mistake seems a bit far fetched. It’s like reading the accounts from the Titanic sinking where the British say everyone who was American or English was heroic but those Italians were cowards.
Marcel is so self centered.
critlo's review against another edition
challenging
reflective
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
really lagged in the first section - the albertine reflections felt a bit repetitive. but oh my god the second half was incredible, last section might be my favorite yet
caterinasforza's review against another edition
5.0
Öncelikle Roza Hakmen'e çeviri başarısı için hakkını vermek lazım sanırım. Sonrasında serinin sondan bir önceki kitabı diğerlerine göre en akıcı olanı diyebilirim.
Proust okurken hayatın çok hızlı aktığını düşünen hareketli ruh halim durgunlaşmıştır her zaman. Seride ilerledikçe anların farkına varmadığımız detaylarını yakalayabilmek öğrenme sürecimin en büyük artısı olmuştur.
Genelde seri okuması yapacaksam yazarın biosuna en son bakarım. Bu defa Albertine Kayıp'ı okurken merakıma yenilip Prout'un yaşamına göz attım. Kendisinin eşcinsel olduğunu okuduğumda oldukça şaşırdım. Beni en çok şaşırtan kendisi eşçinsel olan birinin, homofobiklik derecesine yakın bir eseri nasıl kaleme alabildiği oldu. Bu konuda kafam biraz karışık. Serinin son kitabını okuduktan sonra sakince düşünüp iç dünyamı netleştirdikten sonra uzun uzun yazarım sanıyorum.
Bu kitapla artık iyice tanıdığımız karakterlere biraz daha yaklaşıyoruz. Her zamanki gibi satır aralarında Proust'un o kendine has üslübuyla yaptığı keyifli tespitleri yakalamak mümkün. Albertine'in kayıp(!) olması sonucu iç dünyasını yansıttığı satırlarda hastalıklı duyguları dışarıdan izlemek psikolojik anlamda ilginç bir deneyimdi.
Yazarlığına dair gelişmelerin olduğu bölümden sonrasıysa çok şaşırtıcıydı. Son kitap bakalım neler anlatacak.
Bu incelemeleri sadece kendim için,, yıllar sonra geri dönüp baktığımda neler hissetmişim anımsamak amacıyla yazıyorum. Edebiyat allamesi değilim. Bu yüzden olur da altına vay sen üstad hakkında naıl böyle yazarsın diyecek olan çıkarsa diye şimdiden uyarmış olayım. Sabahattin Ali'd yaşadığım linci bir kere daha görmem durumunda pek kibar davranmayabilirim böyle biline. Birbirimizin fikirlerine ve görüşlerine tahammül edemiyorsak buranın diğer sosyal ağlardan ne farkı kalır?!
Proust okurken hayatın çok hızlı aktığını düşünen hareketli ruh halim durgunlaşmıştır her zaman. Seride ilerledikçe anların farkına varmadığımız detaylarını yakalayabilmek öğrenme sürecimin en büyük artısı olmuştur.
Genelde seri okuması yapacaksam yazarın biosuna en son bakarım. Bu defa Albertine Kayıp'ı okurken merakıma yenilip Prout'un yaşamına göz attım. Kendisinin eşcinsel olduğunu okuduğumda oldukça şaşırdım. Beni en çok şaşırtan kendisi eşçinsel olan birinin, homofobiklik derecesine yakın bir eseri nasıl kaleme alabildiği oldu. Bu konuda kafam biraz karışık. Serinin son kitabını okuduktan sonra sakince düşünüp iç dünyamı netleştirdikten sonra uzun uzun yazarım sanıyorum.
Bu kitapla artık iyice tanıdığımız karakterlere biraz daha yaklaşıyoruz. Her zamanki gibi satır aralarında Proust'un o kendine has üslübuyla yaptığı keyifli tespitleri yakalamak mümkün. Albertine'in kayıp(!) olması sonucu iç dünyasını yansıttığı satırlarda hastalıklı duyguları dışarıdan izlemek psikolojik anlamda ilginç bir deneyimdi.
Yazarlığına dair gelişmelerin olduğu bölümden sonrasıysa çok şaşırtıcıydı. Son kitap bakalım neler anlatacak.
Bu incelemeleri sadece kendim için,, yıllar sonra geri dönüp baktığımda neler hissetmişim anımsamak amacıyla yazıyorum. Edebiyat allamesi değilim. Bu yüzden olur da altına vay sen üstad hakkında naıl böyle yazarsın diyecek olan çıkarsa diye şimdiden uyarmış olayım. Sabahattin Ali'd yaşadığım linci bir kere daha görmem durumunda pek kibar davranmayabilirim böyle biline. Birbirimizin fikirlerine ve görüşlerine tahammül edemiyorsak buranın diğer sosyal ağlardan ne farkı kalır?!
jeltenieuwhuis's review against another edition
5.0
Alles wat je zegt over Proust verbleekt meteen bij de verbijsterende, ontzagwekkende rijkdom en subtiliteit van zijn taal, van zijn denken, van zijn voelen. Dit is de zesde zomer dat ik me verlies in A la recherche du temps perdu en ik kijk nu al uit naar de zomer van 2025 — en tegelijkertijd zie ik ertegenop dan afscheid te moeten nemen van de rijkdommen van dit meesterwerk der meesterwerken.
rosecarlyle's review against another edition
I know some of my readers follow my reviews in the hope of finding similar books to my own, so I have to start by saying that Marcel Proust is a unique author and is nothing like me. Many readers today might find his novel(s) hard to relate to and very loooong...
The second-to-last volume of Proust's enormous novel, The Fugitive was for me much more compelling than the previous few instalments.
I can't really say anything about why because that would spoil the unexpected event which occurs early in this volume. The rest of the volume is about exploring the consequences of that event. For me, Proust's ability to capture strange psychological moments is truly interesting and makes it worth the long hours required to complete this million-word novel.
The second-to-last volume of Proust's enormous novel, The Fugitive was for me much more compelling than the previous few instalments.
I can't really say anything about why because that would spoil the unexpected event which occurs early in this volume. The rest of the volume is about exploring the consequences of that event. For me, Proust's ability to capture strange psychological moments is truly interesting and makes it worth the long hours required to complete this million-word novel.
danbooksit's review against another edition
4.0
After Marcel's insufferable possessiveness in the previous book, turning away from Albertine in volume 6 is a relief and Proust shift slowly back into an expanded look at society and politics. The most interesting is probably the fourth part, where Marcel reflects on changes (or changes in his perception) of various friends and acquaintances who marry, and his grappling with Saint-Loupe in particular (although there is a lot of denial of their own past in that as well).
rexlegendi's review against another edition
3.0
Het karakter van hoofdpersoon Marcel lijkt met elk deel van Op zoek naar de verloren tijd verwaander te worden. Nadat Albertine zijn huis is ontvlucht en een brief voor hem heeft achtergelaten, weigert hij eerst haar woorden serieus te nemen, waarna hij tot inkeer komt en uit verdriet zijn vriend Robert Saint-Loup achter haar aanstuurt. Tegen die tijd is Marcel nog altijd verzwolgen in zelfmedelijden en heeft hij geen greintje empathisch vermogen laten zien. Hij is voortdurend teleurgesteld in anderen, zonder enig moment op zijn eigen gedrag te reflecteren. Wel besteedt hij zoveel tijd aan de opeenvolgende gebeurtenissen – er gebeurt in dit deel meer dan in de voorgaande vijf bij elkaar – dat hij de raarste conclusies trekt en aanstellerige sprongen maakt. Of Marcel uit blinde liefde handelt, is te betwijfelen: Proust laat vaak genoeg blijken dat zijn protagonist afstandelijk en argwanend is.
Meer dan in de vorige delen laat Proust in De voortvluchtige naar mijn idee steken vallen. De emoties wisselen elkaar in te hoog tempo af en de gedachten van Marcel dralen. Het is Proust daarentegen gegeven een verhaal vol afgunst toch een zweem van tederheid te geven. Interessant zijn de stukken over homoseksualiteit, vooral die over de lesbische affaires van Albertine, een thema dat sinds [b:Sodom en Gomorra|13640536|Sodom en Gomorra (Op zoek naar de verloren tijd, #4)|Marcel Proust|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1609272250l/13640536._SY75_.jpg|850515] telkens terugkeert. Ten slotte mag ik Marcel weliswaar een onaangenaam figuur vinden, het is niettemin een prestatie om een dergelijk complex karakter op papier tot leven te brengen.
Meer dan in de vorige delen laat Proust in De voortvluchtige naar mijn idee steken vallen. De emoties wisselen elkaar in te hoog tempo af en de gedachten van Marcel dralen. Het is Proust daarentegen gegeven een verhaal vol afgunst toch een zweem van tederheid te geven. Interessant zijn de stukken over homoseksualiteit, vooral die over de lesbische affaires van Albertine, een thema dat sinds [b:Sodom en Gomorra|13640536|Sodom en Gomorra (Op zoek naar de verloren tijd, #4)|Marcel Proust|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1609272250l/13640536._SY75_.jpg|850515] telkens terugkeert. Ten slotte mag ik Marcel weliswaar een onaangenaam figuur vinden, het is niettemin een prestatie om een dergelijk complex karakter op papier tot leven te brengen.
tefek's review against another edition
4.0
After the break up Marcel thinks more about
Albertine. I like the chapters where he writes about love and Gilberte’s love.
نمى خوام اين مسير جادويى تموم شه، نمى خوام جلد آخر رو شرو ع كنم
Albertine. I like the chapters where he writes about love and Gilberte’s love.
نمى خوام اين مسير جادويى تموم شه، نمى خوام جلد آخر رو شرو ع كنم
ismaupin's review against another edition
challenging
emotional
reflective
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0